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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sharron Davies

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EugeneWrayburn · 02/03/2019 20:28

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/47428951

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GassyAss · 07/03/2019 10:36

We've loads of Specialized products in our house, literally hundreds of pounds have been spent with that company. If they side with RM on this, I will not allow another penny to be spent with them.

BettyDuMonde · 07/03/2019 10:37

We’ll ‘look into it’ can very easily mean ‘oh do fuck off’ in customer services speak. Let’s hope that’s the case here.

RockyFlintstone · 07/03/2019 10:49

It wasn't really just a 'we'll look into it' but hopefully Specialized will see it for what it is, which is pure bullying.

Sharron Davies
EcclesThePeacock · 07/03/2019 10:49

But having said something supportive of RM re brand values, they need to come back and clarify where they stand on women's sports.

Trying to come up with a riff on the lines of 'women need men in sports like fish need Specialized bicycles'...

jay55 · 07/03/2019 10:51

If testosterone makes no difference why is it a wada banned substance?
Why was it used in state sponsored doping?
Anyone who saw the East Germans (and others) compete could see the advantage. It's not like the science wasn't done decades ago.

Why do TRAs deny all the evidence?

Marion Jones (tall, great physique) doped through her career but was still slower than the men. We know the advantage is more than just hormones and drugs. And isn't women not trying hard enough, Jones couldn't have done more.

MsTSwift · 07/03/2019 10:57

We are very big cycling spenders and gender critical this will affect our purchasing going forward

changecounterextraordinaire · 07/03/2019 10:57

Rachel McKinnon is tweeting about Sharon’s slip up with the XX XY thing ‘cos it was the only thing in Sharon’s interview that COULD have holes picked in it!

RockyFlintstone · 07/03/2019 10:58

Someone needs to send Specialized Peach Yoguhurts 'Bicycle Analogy' video! Grin

FreezerBird · 07/03/2019 11:12

I'm hoping that Specialized's 'looking into it' has the same result as Martina's 'further research'.

Vixxxy · 07/03/2019 13:57

McKinnon i yet another TRA I would not be surprised if it came out they were actually a GC plant! Like LM. And Muscato.

Mankyfoot · 07/03/2019 17:40

some of RM's followers are picking apart aspects of Sharron's appearance, implying she is less womanly than they are Hmmbecause of her height and athletic build. Yet if anyone dares to comment on a TRAs Adam's apple or large feet then OMG that is literal violence.

Do these people not understand that we women have been subjected to insults/unwanted comments/catcalls regarding our appearance for most of our lives? Water off a duck's back. Sharron is over 50 (and looks incredible), and, like most women her age, she probably no longer gives a flying fuck.

FermatsTheorem · 07/03/2019 17:51

The other thing is that actually Sharron's appearance is utterly irrelevant. She is a very good looking woman, but the relevant point when it comes to women's sport is that, whether she looked like a supermodel or a bag of spanners, she's biologically female. To imply that her looks have anything to do with the issue at all is misogyny, plain and simple.

And it's very revealing misogyny coming from TRAs - it shows that their whole concept of "womanhood" boils down to "looking like Barbie."

Some of the more prominent activists on twitter simultaneously seem to believe they do look like Barbie (all those pouting selfies while wearing ridiculously clinging clothes in a pornified parody of female dress), while hating themselves for not looking like Barbie - the cognitive dissonance must just about make their heads explode. Then, because of the cognitive dissonance, they project like crazy onto women: too pretty - they hate a woman for being what they are not; not pretty enough/good looking, but in a strong way - they hate a woman for being incontrovertibly a woman while not looking like Barbie.

It's all projection, all incoherent, all about holding multiple conflicting views at the same time, all about cognitive dissonance, and most especially, all about DARVO (reversing the roles of victim and offender so they transform themselves into the most oppressed people in the world - even as they engineer the most vicious twitter pile-ons and take photos of themselves with pink baseball bats).

lady69 · 07/03/2019 18:24

😉

Sharron Davies
Wearywithteens · 07/03/2019 18:37

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Datun · 07/03/2019 22:15

I agree with all that FermatsTheorem.

You only have to read the trans widows threads to see the conflict and fragility of the entire issue when it comes to looks

MNSDKHheroines · 21/03/2019 14:01

IOC medic on BBC news this lunchtime but I only caught the last couple of sentences about trans & sport is complex. Can't find it on BBC website. Anyone see it ?

MilletSentToForceIt · 21/03/2019 14:50

Was it this MNSDKH
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47640359

Saw it this morning , but didn’t get a chance to read it.

MNSDKHheroines · 21/03/2019 15:29

Not sure. It was an IOC official so I leapt to the conclusion it was following up the letter from Sharron Davies & others. There was a cyclist but not the usual suspect I don't think...didn't have sound on though.

TwoBlackHorses · 21/03/2019 15:56

Can't recall what the IOC man said but there was a short interview with an American trans athlete saying how great it felt to line up with the women on the start line.
Then a short interview with a British female cyclist saying how unfair it is to have men who have gone through make puberty to race with the women as one year of reduced testosterone doesn't negate the advantages.

Manderleyagain · 21/03/2019 16:21

The trans cyclist was jillian bearden. She was emphasising that she would abide by whatever rules were set (quite different tone and opinion to mckinnon - trans athletes would be better off putting her on the telly and radio instead of mckinnon). Didn't catch the British cyclists name but yes she emphasised fairness for women given the advantages of male puberty.

The ioc man was British but seemed to be the one in charge of this issue for the ioc. He said words but they meant nothing. Blah blah fairness for everyone blah. I'm not sure why it was in the news today though.

MNSDKHheroines · 21/03/2019 16:38

Thanks for the updates.

AnyOldPrion · 21/03/2019 20:08

Look!!!

Sharron has peaked!

This is no longer about sport.

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1108806290686570500?s=21

Sharron, thank you so much. Wonderful that you’re speaking up for all of us!

HawkeyeInConfusion · 22/03/2019 19:36

I read this and immediately thought of the way the BBC and others have feted RMK.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/22/political-monsters-media-jacob-rees-mogg-platforms

Manderleyagain · 22/03/2019 20:43

Hawkeye. Yes v apt. The measured cyclist on the news didn't make such entertaining or controversial telly as mck.

Anyoldprion Martina has also commented on a couple of other issues (the effect on lesbians and the vancouver rape relief situation I think). Sport is a gateway.

Its great that Sharon Kelly and Paula are writing to the ioc, I am very grateful to them. It's clear that the other sport authorities have taken their lead from the ioc and by raising it there it raises the issue across all competitive sport.

Manderleyagain · 22/03/2019 20:44

I always spell Sharron's name wrong!

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