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Martina speaks out!

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PimmsnLemonade · 17/02/2019 01:14

I'm so pleased to see this. I've been a big fan of Martina since I was a kid and this just makes her go up even higher in my estimation:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/martina-navratilova-blasts-cheating-transgender-women-in-sport-8fmjbnh99

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-rules-on-trans-athletes-reward-cheats-and-punish-the-innocent-klsrq6h3

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Manderleyagain · 20/02/2019 09:33

Oh dear. I wonder what other lbgt organisations Martina is connected to, and what they'll do.
I hope that statement from athlete ally gets some coverage. Everyone can see how bonkers this is. Someone should send it to Titania mcgrath...

2019StandingforWomen · 20/02/2019 09:38

twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1097946006304550917

Donald Trump Jnr tweets in support of a debate about the issue.

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/02/2019 10:47

If trans women are physically the same as women with lessened testosterone, how come there aren't more transmen in sport?

OlennasWimple · 20/02/2019 10:49

My 14yo DS is the same height as me but with bigger hands and feet

I can win things like arm wrestling, partly because I've been doing it longer than him Wink But he can run faster than me, and if he lifts me off the floor I can't make him put me down (I can't lift him up anymore)

Iused2BanOptimist · 20/02/2019 10:53

Homestar Do you archive a lot? Someone is looking for links from a deleted thread.

Treefloof · 20/02/2019 12:28

Well shit, say bye bye to women in sport full stop.
God, just how bad can it get. Will MN retract or be steadfast.
It's a bit like watching a car crash. And I really hope Martina gets out in one piece.

Vixxxy · 20/02/2019 12:37

Martina losing positions over this is insane. Its bullying really, to try and get her to take back her very rational and factual comments, I hope she stands firm, but the first time you get the 'bigot' nonsense...it does sting. It means nothing to me now mind, but it did affect me to start with and made me question my views a lot.

Sexnotgender · 20/02/2019 13:09

Paula Radcliffe and Kelly Holmes are tweeting in support of Martina.

Floisme · 20/02/2019 13:15

Great to hear about Paula Radcliffe and Kelly Holmes. I think it’s time we heard some male athletes speaking out too.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/02/2019 13:26

Yes, but IMO it's great to see these women leading the way. I'd rather see them being invited to talk about women's sports than even the staunchest male ally.

Floisme · 20/02/2019 13:34

Totally agree about women leading but I don’t think it’s good enough for male athletes to keep their heads down. How many of them have daughters?

RockyFlintstone · 20/02/2019 13:39

Kelly Holmes!!! 👏👏👏

Sunlight......

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 20/02/2019 14:19

Have i lost my mind entirely? India agrees with Martina... Confused

Martina speaks out!
Homestar · 20/02/2019 14:23

Iused2Be - not really, but I've got a reasonably good mental database of this stuff so I might be able to tell you if it showed up on Reddit at any point.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 20/02/2019 14:26

India agrees with Martina

India has gone against the grain of the TRA's on occasion, she's also expressed concern about stonewall's stupid tran umbrella too.
Regardless of my personal opinion of her i can say that she doesn't blindly follow.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/02/2019 14:31

I get the impression that India is capable of detecting the zeitgeist. And, as I understand it, not in the camp of 'everyone is trans who says they are'. Navratilova (at this point) makes a distinction between TW who've surgically transitioned and those who haven't - I think India does too?

Bowlofbabelfish · 20/02/2019 14:36

Martina is no pushover. This is a woman who lived under communist control in Czechoslovakia and made the brave decision to defect, leaving family and all she knew behind. She’s faced down far nastier opponents and she’s got steel.
She’s intelligent, tough and well regarded. She also has an impeccable record of working for gay rights and real equality, for which she’s won awards. She’s the wrong person to pick on.

ChattyLion · 20/02/2019 15:26

Martina has swooped in like a fucking badass lesbian superhero to save the day! She is reaching billions around the world just by telling the truth with an easily accessible example of why this political agenda fucks over women. I absolutely love her for that.

birdsdestiny · 20/02/2019 16:26

Chris Evert too. All bigots I am sure Grin

Bowlofbabelfish · 20/02/2019 17:00

Female atheletes, all of them, will know they can’t compete against males. They know it.

birdsdestiny · 20/02/2019 17:01

Come on Serena.

Datun · 20/02/2019 17:03

If the IOC are saying that reducing, or not producing testosterone, for one year is good enough, then does that mean all athletes, male and female can take testosterone for the three years before the Olympics, stop taking it in the final year and be allowed to compete?

They're just following the same rules, right?

HumberElla · 20/02/2019 17:06

Hasn’t FPFW said there are loads of athletes who have contacted them with concerns but are afraid for their careers if the speak?
Let’s hope this gives them more confidence now.

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 20/02/2019 17:12

Chrissy evert retweeted fair play for women!!

I'm hoping so many are standing up the TRAs can't dogpile them all.

littlbrowndog · 20/02/2019 17:16

I took one brave woman martina to stand up and now look.

The dam has burst