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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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QuietContraryMary · 08/02/2019 22:14

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

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hipsterfun · 11/02/2019 14:08

I'm sure I read somewhere that unlike the ovaries, age isn't much of an issue.

Crikey, I better review my registration.

hipsterfun · 11/02/2019 14:12

Datun, I think it’s explained here:

There was however a highly significant correlation between the presence of E. faecalis on the one hand and sexual orientation and coitus on the other

hipsterfun · 11/02/2019 14:23

The full write-up elaborates:

There was however a highly significant correlation between the presence of E. faecalis and sexual orientation: in heterosexual transsexual women (having a male partner) E. faecalis was present in 78.6% while it was only present in 14.2% of homosexual transsexual women and in 12.5% of bisexual transsexual women (p = 0.003). Equally there was a significant correlation between E. faecalis and the occurrence of regular coitus with a male partner: in those having regular coitus E. faecalis was present in 75% while in only 25% of those not having coitus (p = 0.027).

(Note the interesting use of ‘heterosexual’.)

It would be interesting to compare with standard-issue vaginas.

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 14:30

The best and only vagina is... drumroll... an actual vagin just needed to add that extra bit

Ohfuxx · 11/02/2019 14:32

This is some sick Dr Frankenstein shit Angry

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 15:06

The thing is, the cervix and vagina, although referred to separately are one entity, the cervix is the equivalent to simply thickening in the middle. So cutting off the uterus, is like cutting off the hand and leaving the arm behind, but if you tree to reattach a hand to an arm that has no wrist (a very crude comparison, but they are all part of the whole but performing different functions. So trying to attach a uterus and cervix to a vagina where its full of blood vessels and is supposed to thin (eface) during labour to create one seamless baby delivery tunnel, seems beyond comprehension really!

calpop · 11/02/2019 15:26

I've just opted out of donor registration. No man is getting my sex-specific organs.

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 15:44

Is there a link online calpop ?

Datun · 11/02/2019 17:36

Thank you hipsterfun.

You'd think that would make it clear for me, wouldn't you? Unfortunately I think I'm being very dim about it. And I can't work out what E. faecalis is exactly, despite googling it.

Would you mind explaining it in the most basic layman terms you can think of?

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 17:38

Isn't it bacteria found in shit?

Datun · 11/02/2019 17:44

Well that's what I mean. And if you remove the shit from the bit of skin, why is it still in the bit of skin after you've fashioned it into a vagina?

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 17:46

Perhaps because they swap between penetration of the anus and the neovagina during sexual activity?

Datun · 11/02/2019 17:47

Well yes, okay that makes sense.

But I'm always hearing that if they use a bit of the colon, it smells off and secretes 'stuff'.

Which I've never understood.

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 17:53

The colon does have a mucous lining and I imagine that unless some powerful antibiotics were used, it would retain its natural flora. The colon section is still a section of colon even if it has been severed and reattached elsewhere. In a sense, the person, rather than having a new vagina, has a second arsehole, disconnected from the eliminatory tract.

CoachBombay · 11/02/2019 18:22

Well I'm in a better.mood today but now my.atomach has been turned slightly by the description of what a fake vagina is made out of 🤮

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 18:29

. Although many men are excited at the prospect of bum fucking so they prefer that to vag perhaps? I mean, to thems that like it that way, its perfect, two bumholes!

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 18:39

The bacteria is pathogenic, and lived threatening to any immuno compromised. Its also the main infection in bladder infections. Even having root canals, etc, not just those on dialysis or with HIV or chemo etc.

Really not want you want your vagina.

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 18:39

*life-threatening

FlyingOink · 11/02/2019 21:58

There was however a highly significant correlation between the presence of E. faecalis and sexual orientation: in heterosexual transsexual women (having a male partner) E. faecalis was present in 78.6% while it was only present in 14.2% of homosexual transsexual women
Is this because the neovagina owner is a former penis owner and therefore has no idea that swapping between the two is a bad idea?
I should imagine it's another health risk suffered by young women coerced into anal as per previous threads too.

CoachBombay · 11/02/2019 22:24

Amongst the issues with bacteria and what not, obviously our vaginas are self lubricating and elastic and can expand to accommodate all different shapes and sizes...how does what I can only describe as a "internal flesh pocket" even attempt to do this? How do they stop the flesh pocket healing up? What if the flesh pocket rips? How do they clean the flesh pocket?

I have so many questions, but I don't want to Google it and have it on my history on this device...lol 😳

FlyingOink · 11/02/2019 22:59

CoachBombay
It's not self cleaning. In the US in particular, where a large percentage of men are circumcised as babies, some neovagina surgery uses shaft skin and ball skin that is hairy. (Shaft skin being hairy because of the removed foreskin, when it's done on a baby it's really guesswork as to how big the adult penis will be so hair gets pulled along the shaft, and ball skin because without the foreskin there isn't enough skin otherwise). So hair can grow inside the neovagina even if electrolysis is done prior to surgery.

I read an account (NSFW and not posting screenshots) of a post-op transwoman who regretted surgery and found that a big hairball was formed inside the neovagina which eventually had to be fished out (hair had been pulled out by dilation I think?)

It was not a pleasant read. I'm sure results differ from surgeon to surgeon and I imagine someone who had a large uncircumcised penis would have a better aesthetic result.
It's hard to know how common certain side effects or unwanted features of a neovagina are because other than places like Reddit you don't see much conversation about the physical aspects in an anonymous format. And most people don't want to advertise publicly that their genitals are malfunctioning, unclean, uncomfortable or look odd, no matter what they identify as, so anonymous commenting is about it.
Maybe all the Reddit commenters are undercover GC women, and there are no ill effects. I doubt that though.

IDoN0tCare · 11/02/2019 23:03

That’s actually very sad, isn’t it, FlyingOink. Those poor people being sold a falsehood.

CoachBombay · 11/02/2019 23:12

😱 giant hairballs stuck inside you festering bacteria and dirt. This sounds horrific, how does one even retrieve the hair or remove it of its growing internally? What do they doing veet it with a shoe horn?

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 23:22

Is the most common, but theres no secreting or contraction, or flexing, only six months of manual dilating to stop it contracting down. Alternative is colon, which heavily secretes bowel mucus for many months.

I feel sorry for anyone wanting this done. Apparently in Thailand the colon surgery is more common, but it does carry greater risks!! And leaves an abdominal scar.

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