Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

He [Eddie] absolutely defended who he was and was wholly and utterly out about who he was, and derided the piss-taking men and bullies. He made it clear there were no confusions, for years! And now suddenly its all lies.

Well I just watched an excerpt of Louis Therouxs transkids. A little 5 yo boy, talking fluent genderspeak., one who has no idea of the first clue of what gender means! A horrible mismatch. No doubting his wishes to be a girl, but it was the speak of an adult or teen.

Its confusing for children just to get to grips with the reality of where babies come from and why without throwing a load of nonsense in there with it. You can explain but it is beyond the understanding of most kids who, without going into the details of sex and whatnot should be guided by us not told they can be what they want, as kids we have an obligation to guide them to be what they as I'd put money on it loads of kids will for example want to be the same sex as their friends one week and think that's ok. Thats how kids minds work.

Of course its not possible for a biologically mans body to give birth because if it were they'd be female. We cant bring our kids up lying to them that the biology humanity is founded on can be altered based on someones subjective sense of what sex they 'feel' they are. By all means to be polite if around someone who is not wants to be called a she or a he but I will not lie and modify what I know is not true in a normal reality. Not withstanding it is plainly obvious in most cases that they are not indeed the sex they claim to be and cant help feeling they would be treated kinder by society without the encouragement to live out the delusion they sadly feel and suffering the ridicule because of it.

We should be treating the underlying cause. It isn't possible for them to be what they aren't and can never be normalised.

It is not very different from saying that we should agree with someone with a delusion that their microwave is a talking spacecraft and that we should help them by agreeing saying "yes we can hear everything you can its a fine craft you have there". We dont do this because it isn't helpful so we get these people help. Kids will always poke fun at people which is a sad fact that isn't going to go away by pedaling a delusion that may infact be making it worse.

I have no malice in this whatsoever i genuinely do wish people get the best help available but i can only feel this kind of misguided help is present due to a leftist government bringing about policies to win votes rather than assist people in need.

Transplanting ovaries into a male body should be outright illegal and is no different from when scientists have done stupid things in the past like grow human ears on the backs of mice.

I do wonder if JazzBunnys fight against 'incels' and '4chan' include the growing number of trans males in both communities? 🤔

My post is based on the OP.

No no no, never, its disgusting and immoral.

It wont happen. Even if it becomes medically possible which I highly doubt, morally it will not be allowed.

The fact that it is males alluding to female reproductive organs being as simple as "plug in and play" disgusts me.
It shows how little they understand or care about female reproduction. We are viewed merely as spare parts so males can have what they want.
Anyone that tells me the trans ideology is not harmful to females is lying to themselves and attempting to gaslight me.

I will never accept transwomen as women or transmen as men. They are males and females who are trans end of.

Adrienne also commented on my thread on this board with some unhelpful comments

I remember the ear mouse well! Mixture of awe and faint nausea, frankly. It wasn’t a human ear - it was ear-shaped, but had no human cells in it and was created to test ways of scaffolding cartilage structures for medical replacement.

Certainly looked bizarre though.

KitsandCaboodles

Yes you are quite correct, how weird that they don't include Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The figure is bound to be higher.
Still shows how Jazzbunny and their ilk continue to falsify statistics.

I see the daily mail is covering the shark twittering the one who can’t be named. Can’t link but you can google it... I hope she got her laptop back.

Why though? It's not confusing if you explain.
You can accept transwomen and at the same time if they ask can say that it's not biologically possible for a biologically man's body to give birth to a baby.
It just can't happen. A biological female gives birth to babies, it's not just a matter of implanting a womb.

Within many transgender communities, the possibility has already been absorbed and is not being challenged.

Worth listening to R4's recent program about puberty blockers.
I was struck by the mother whose son is likely starting medical interventions, She described feeling it important to stress to her child that if he becomes becomes a transwoman, he would not be able to have a child. She talks about wanting to mak sure that he is aware of the limits of what is possible in transitioning gender.
The child replies that she can't know what medical technological advances will be possible. The mother agrees.
The male child's belief that it might be possible for him to become pregnant remains.

R4
Scientist Britt Wray talks to parents and doctors about the difficulties of weighing up the risks of taking – or not taking – hormone blockers in the face of so little scientific data. And how they navigate the responsibility of making these decisions with a child who is still below the legal age of informed consent

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00027mp

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3493220-Radio-4-now-Pausing-puberty

The male child's belief that it might be possible for him to become pregnant remains.

This is how we have got where we are.

Yes R0wantrees, this is what I was going on about yesterday. This story is repeated to get into the minds of people the assumption that it's bound to happen at some point. Once people start believing that, they'll be more open to accept "since men can receive the relevant bits then there's no real difference between men and women". It doesn't matter that science is lagging far behind and might never catch up.

It's not about the science. It's a propaganda technique about changing people's perceptions.

Its like when someone is diagnosed with a life threatening ailment. People say ‘there are medical advancements every day! You never know...’. I’ve never known anyone actually benefit.

It's much more kind and more morally correct to be honest.
If you transition, be it socially, chemically or surgically, it will affect your life options. Like anything else you decide to do.

You're likely to find it difficult to find a partner, not because you're suddenly unlovable, but because most people prefer a male or a female without alteration.

You're likely to not be able to have kids if you are chemically or surgically altered. It could happen, so could that lottery win, and you don't organise your finances around it.

You're likely to be identifiable as trans. You may pass to some, or most people but it's very rare you will pass to all. Manage your expectations accordingly.

I cannot see how you can call yourself a feminist if you believe any of the above garbage. You can't- another gatekeeper! It's a public board, posting here shows an interest in feminist matters. I don't agree that there needs to be an entrance exam. Plus how can you change anyone's mind if you only talk to people who agree with you?

another gatekeeper!

Thanks Oink. not the first time regular posters have been called for not being good enough feminists. Perhaps those pure of heart might be offered their own board, and leave us to discuss Women's Rights.

I actually met this surgeon in a social context a few years back. He seemed very normal and pleasant. It was only later that I made the connection.

Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility

This just sounds really confused. Identity has absolutely nothing to do with male or female fertility.

The question is whether, if a uterus can be transplanted to a woman, it could also be transplanted to a man. Being cis or trans isn't relevant.

From a practical point of view, clearly fertility is far more complicated than just having a uterus, otherwise no women with a uterus would ever be infertile and nobody would ever have a miscarriage.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant."

It seems relevant that Christopher Inglefield's expertise is in gender reassignment and plastic surgery, not gynaecology or fertility.

It seems relevant that Christopher Inglefield's expertise is in gender reassignment and plastic surgery, not gynaecology or fertility.

His expertise would seem to be in making money by selling people fairy tales.

I have seen vulnerable people sold various expensive forms of snake oil over the years, to "cure" their terminal condition.

This is another version of the scam in my eyes, exploiting vulnerable people for profit. And I'd be willing to bet that Mr Inglefield doesn't actually believe it.

Christopher Inglefield is a plastic & cosmetic surgeon, he's found a specific group of customers patients and is trying to position himself as the leading provider of services.

"Meet Mr. Christopher Inglefield - Plastic and Cosmetic Surgeon
Mr. Christopher Inglefield BSc, MBBS, FRCS(Plast) was born in Trinidad, West Indies, and obtained his Medical Degree from the University of the West Indies in Jamaica and Trinidad in 1985. After attaining his Medical Degree he went on to complete his specialist surgical training in the UK passing the examinations for admission as a Fellow to the Royal College of Surgeons of England in 1990.

Soon after he became passionate about plastic surgery, and after 6 years of developing his specialist skills and experience passed the intercollegiate specialist examination in Plastic Surgery and was awarded the FRCS(Plast) in 1997. This confirmed his expertise in all aspects of Plastic, Reconstructive and Cosmetic Surgery and he was admitted on the Specialist Register of the UK General Medical Council.

As a highly experienced Consultant Plastic, Reconstructive and Aesthetic Surgeon, Mr Inglefield has performed thousands of procedures. (continues)

To ensure the service that he offers his patients is constantly evolving to embrace the latest technological and surgical developments, he regularly attends and is asked to speak at many national and international conferences and workshops. Mr. Inglefield has also written several papers and contributed to many specialist books and journals within the field of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery." (continues)

"Over the years, he has gained vast experience in a wide range of specialities, with areas of specialist interest including Gender Confirmation Surgery, Facial Feminisation Surgery, Body Feminisation Surgery, Masculinization Surgery and Male Chest Reduction, Breast Surgery, Breast Implants and Reconstruction, Hair Line Lowering, Eye Bag Surgery and Facial Rejuvenation, Rhinoplasty and Non- Surgical Nose Job, Labia Reduction and Labiaplasty."

''gender confirmation', 'male chest reduction' 'gender reassignment', 'sex change' surgery etc are euphemistic

www.lbps.co.uk/plastic-surgery-office-london/plastic-surgeon/

That’s an interesting biography R0wantrees. His listed interests emphasise the cosmetic appearance of male to female surgery. Looking “feminine”.

A uterus transplant isn’t an aesthetic procedure though is it?

A uterus transplant isn’t an aesthetic procedure though is it?

I don't believe Mr Inglefield said anything about personally being involved in uterine implant surgery for male transpeople. He just decided to nail his colours to the mast make his opinion known.

Oh ladies I've just had a bit of a heated discussion with a trans female friend over this 😳

She's my friend I support her in her journey, but for me the ethics behind this outweigh anyones hope and dreams. Ultimately you are gambling with human life and my moral compass said No.

She won't accept it but I've said my part.

The thing is, I wonder if the reason why your friend can be so adamant that this is a human right and something they would go for if available, is because they know that it isn't possible and won't be possible in their lifetime. I doubt they'd ever admit it, but underneath it all they must know it.

Well she's of the belief this has already been done with another transwomans...I've yet to find any evidence of this.

Had a pop at me stating if I could never have my son, bet I'd see it differently. She soon shut up when I stated I had over ten miscarriages and carry a genetic disorder.

She didn't seem to feel there was an issue with gambling with life. I asked what would happen if the fetus died, where would the products go? She would require an entire abdominal surgery to remove the products of conception. Then what you have a womb that's already been cut open once before you've even carried a baby to term, and c section scars can cause issues in future pregnancies. She didn't see this as a problem.

Men really have no idea do they what it actually takes to grow and birth a baby. It's not as simple as get pregnant have baby, it really isn't.

I am actually quite angry about this but hopefully can use this space as somewhere to vent a little! Sorry.

Well I've now entered a Clomid induced ragey mood about it...2 years of TTC still not there and now I have to put up with this shit....not today...

Fuck it, I'm in a mood now 😂

Oh he’s very definitely nailing his colours to the mast. The more I think about it though, the crosser I get.

He is misleading vulnerable people and feeding their desire for an idealised, but largely unattainable aesthetic.

And yet the people who are questioning this are the transphobes.