Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

nauticant That would suggest that being trans is actually a protective factor against being murdered then?

I'd put it slightly differently thenightsky. I think that the socio-economic group from which many trans people come could well be a protective factor against being murdered at a higher rate than the population in general.

I think that the socio-economic group from which many trans people come could well be a protective factor against being murdered at a higher rate than the population in general.
Beautifully put

Basically if you have a figure of one person being murdered per year, you can’t draw any statistics from that really and it’s ridiculous to say it’s a higher proportion than women when the figure comes from just one person. In 2017, no trans women were murdered. The only thing you can say is that with one murder on average per year, there is no way you can see any sort of trend or pattern towards an increased risk of murder for trans women. And surely that’s good? Or do people want them to be killed or something?

Or do people want them to be killed or something?

The general vibe in FWR is posters being pleased that in the UK trans people come to far less harm than we're told is the case by trans activists.

I agree that the data regarding murders in the UK is too small to be conclusive (and that is a good thing!)

Which is why many UK based individuals and organisations appropriate data regarding transwomen in other countries, notably the US (where colour often also comes into play) and Latin America (where the fact that the victims are often involved in the sex industry, along with deeply ingrained homophobia, makes them extremely vulnerable)

And, of course, let's remember who the perpetrators are: overwhelmingly it is men who kill transwomen. Not women, not feminists - MEN

nauticant yes, I am talking about the TRAs when asking whether people actually want trans women to be attacked and murdered

It's hard to escape the nagging worry that, when you consider how cavalier some AWAs are with suicide stats etc. there are certainly some in that sphere who would take satisfaction in actual harm coming to trans people. Especially if you're a parent of a trans identifying child and you don't roll over to the Genderist demands. I've often come across delightful people, even on MN, who seem gleeful at the possibility that my child could hurt themselves. Always dressed up with a 'then you'll be sorry you didn't obey me!' style flourish.

I agree FloralBunting.

It gets really out of hand in a rush to leverage women's empathy. Or fear.

Just reading this thread in its entirety, and wondered - if you wanted to stop a bunch of irritating biological women from talking to each other, what would be the best way to achieve this?
Presumably to butt into their talk, divert it away from the actual issue, and ensure that the conversation becomes so argumentative nobody can be bothered to continue the discussion? Would that work?
Take over, divert, talk at length, repeatedly make the same point, speak at length, exhaust all these women so so much that they take their irritating womanly parts away from the important men’s issues?
How might one do that?

I agree-I don’t get why the logic in this particular issue is “Believe you were born in the wrong body? You are more likely to commit suicide, lets get you on an invasive, painful and irreversible course of surgical and medical intervention to change your body”

Why on earth isn’t it “Believe you were born in the wrong body? You are more likely to commit suicide, lets get you on a course of intensive therapy, counselling and psychiatric help to address your suicidal ideation and it’s root cause”

If someone is in a risk group for suicide why isn’t psychiatry the gold standard?

I think it's tied in with the religion aspect of Genderist thought, in all honesty. There are some who are feverishly eager for martyrs for the cause.

@glitterstick

"If I can't see any reports on the net then it can't be trooo, they're not, they're all fine and dandy and nobody's getting attacked

I take your point but the lack of reports of assaults in toilets in Ireland where they have self ID is often prayed in aid of why those who oppose it are violent transphobic bigots etc

However, there does need to be a distinction between transsexual (transwoman or transgender woman), transvestite (cross-dresser), drag queen, non-binary. The last three are not women.
Stonewall would call you a transphobic bigot for suggesting this.
And if you believe that a transvestite is a man but a transwoman is a woman, at what point does the switch from man to woman happen?
Eddie Izzard used to be a transvestite, now he claims to be a transwoman. Is he now a woman?

These people face the same violence, the same rape, the same trafficking, the same prostitution as we do.
Clearly transwomen do not face the same threats as women. Most retain their penis, most have male build, most do not pass as women.
Someone like Hannah Mouncey is not at risk of rape whereas every woman in the same league IS at risk.

Take over, divert, talk at length, repeatedly make the same point, speak at length, exhaust all these women so so much that they take their irritating womanly parts away from the important men’s issues?

Who's done that in this thread? People are putting their view across

Is self-ID now law - so Eddie is legally a woman?

I don't think Eddie has a GRC? Doesn't he/she keeps switching anyway? And says they have girls genes and boys genes.

Twit.

But isn't self ID law?

He never used to say that. He s always talked about being a man though right?

Self id isn't law, but is what is being lobbied for by Stonewall and similar.

Eddie Izzard never used to talk about transgenderism, always described himself as a transvestite. But recently, has started describing himself as transgender and saying that he always was. He has this stupid schtick about having boy genes and girl genes, hence liking make up and high heels... it's sexist claptrap and he ought to know better.

Oh yes, Eddie's a turncoat.

Maybe he did always feel that way but never felt able to say so properly before?

I think we're going to have some very confused children in the years to come if we continue with all this nonsense.

I cant imagine how awful it must be to be trans, but going on the way we are is only inflicting more problems on them and doing them a great disservice by ignoring the truth and pretending they are what they are not.

It is a lie to pretend that women can be men and men can be women. A man is someone with the potential ability to create sperm and a woman is someone with the potential to create an egg every month. Every human on the planet fits into one of these two categories as its included in our genetic make up. The sooner we deal with this and stop pretending if we somehow all pretend people are how they 'feel' then somehow everything will be OK the better for everyone not least those worst affected.

You can't just stick a penis onto a woman and she magically becomes a man, what is wrong with people to think this will help anyone. Research shows this has had no effect on the suicide rate of trans people so clearly isn't the way forward.

From Time Magazine's recent article 'Thousands of Women Are Born Without a Uterus. A New Procedure Offers Them Hope'
time.com/5492635/uterus-transplant-baby/

Once a woman in the trial has received the transplant, in a surgery that takes another five hours, she waits to recover and achieve menstruation, usually about four to six weeks later. If her transplant is successful, she can attempt in vitro fertilization (IVF) three to six months after the surgery. The women in the trial have functioning ovaries, but attaching them and fallopian tubes to the uterus would further complicate what is already a delicate process. Because implants can increase infection risk, and the drugs the women must take daily to prevent their immune systems from rejecting the new organ are potent, the transplants are removed at some point after the birth.

Just don't see how a TW with a womb implant could be pumped full of drugs to induce menstruation? Then more drugs to sustain a pregnancy in a male body. Stuff of science-fiction (thankfully).

I think we're going to have some very confused children in the years to come if we continue with all this nonsense.I cant imagine how awful it must be to be trans, but going on the way we are is only inflicting more problems on them and doing them a great disservice by ignoring the truth and pretending they are what they are not.

Why though? It's not confusing if you explain.
You can accept transwomen and at the same time if they ask can say that it's not biologically possible for a biologically man's body to give birth to a baby.
It just can't happen. A biological female gives birth to babies, it's not just a matter of implanting a womb.