Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

I do not see any measure by which trans people are structurally marginalised in the UK.
When "trans" meant homosexual transsexuals maybe. Now, that the bulk are straight men? Not at all.

Isn't it strange that the TRAs/AWAs ^ seem to be so strongly against so called carceral feminism yet use the police as their own pet attack dogs for the crimes of tweeting a limerick or saying men can't be women on social media, amongst other heinous crimes/ thoughtcrimes^...it's puzzling

Weird formatting fail there...!

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Also true, I should have specified that organ selection/donation teams choose appropriate candidates - donor families don’t get to choose and privacy is afforded to the donee (the donor family has no right to know their identity though of course there are cases of donees seeking out donor families to thank them etc).

Their flyer was perceived reported as anti trans by biased sources, and their protest was openly and widely condemned as inappropriate for all sorts of reasons that had little to do with the facts
FTFY
Their action peaked me and several other women I know. Those women at Pride are heroes.

To say that the mainstrem condemend the get the L out action is really not true. Mainstream medis just reported the outraged frothing from Stonewall et al.

Well now that’s just silly, randomly projecting emotions and motives into posters who point out another angle on something you seem determined to present in a certain light.

Ah okay, I'm glad you agree with me over the basis for their protest at least.

But I would have to take issue with My point is that they did a fairly rubbish job of it in the sense that few people outside the immediate movement understood their message in the way that they intended.

... on the continuing basis that it is transactivists reaction to that, which, yet again, reveals the agenda. In which light, their protest was incredibly useful.

Lesbians are female homosexuals. Anyone who can disagree with that, is wrong. If there are loads of people who disagree with it, they're all wrong.

Trans activists who have the ear of the media framed the Get the L Out protest as anti-trans because it was useful for them to do that. Anything which doesn't centre trans is trans-phobic.

mainstream medis just reported the outraged frothing from Stonewall et al.

The outraged frothing was as funny as it was Orwellian and disturbing. Proud lesbians bearing a 'hateful' message that they are 'female homosexuals' (duh duh DAHhhh!) at march for homosexual visibility and pride. Clutch your pearls in dismay! Those evil wimmins forgot that it is supposed to be a corporate astroterfing exercise for straight queer people.

Their flyer was perceived as anti trans by the mainstream

No it was pushed as being transphobic

It was pushed, and the actual public saw it for what it was.

And that keeps happening.

How funny I misspelled 'astroturf' as 'astroterf'....

I really don't see how you can say that trans people are 'marginalised' when you have the police giving out cautions for thought crime and councils agreeing that stickers stating that women don't have penises are 'hate crime'.

Anyway...

According to Snopes, that fem-flo tampon thing is a hoax. Thank god!

Two fairly obvious problems I can see with womb transplants to men:

There is no exit in the case of a bleed or miscarriage. If there was some sort of rupture or something else went wrong (highly likely I would have thought) where does it go? Does it just collect in the womb?

Surely before figuring out how to get a bloke to sustain a pregnancy, you will have have to have figured out how to get a woman to sustain a pregnancy, ie, be in a place where miscarriages no longer exist? In fact really, they would have need to have figured out how to sustain a pregnancy outside of a body completely, given that a man has about the same ability to sustain a pregnancy as an artifical womb in a lab. That seems a long way off?

Ethics aside in all of this obviously!

And that keeps happening

Yes, like shero Maggie and her blog.

The surgeon is both a bloke and a Dr Frankenstein freak. I don't think he is in a position to talk about ethics or human rights.

I thought the doctor was, err, ‘biased’. No?

Indeed and rather high on playing with his lego people.

Being generous and attributing the desire for a uterus to the desire for the actual experience of pregnancy and childbirth and not some sort of fetishistic wank fodder, the realities of pregnancy for a Transwomen would likely be horrific.

The drug side effects, the unnatural physical changes that their physiology is not built for, the constant monitoring and medicalisation and the stress of anticipating a likely failure/rejection of pregnancy or the implant etc would make it a nightmare endevor that few would actually want to undertake (once the reality of it was known). So all that money, time, research and carved up female bodies for fuck all... not that it will ever happen. Female bodies are calibrated for pregnancy. For a male body to carry a pregnancy they would literally need to be turned into a female and that ain’t ever going to happen.

While I have no problems at all with trans surgery etc for men and women I can't see how the NHS can justify the costs of non-medically urgent surgery when NICE Are withdrawing funding for urgent cancer drugs.

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

Breaking this statement down.

Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility

We are still a very very long way from this. A few transplants doesn't provide enough data to suggest uterine transplants are viable never mind therapeutic.

Even if this hurdle is passed, I'm doubtful that it would get NICE approval (in England) for women due to cost, except perhaps in a very narrow group of clinical conditions. (And I actually think even this is unlikely).

I don't see The clinical criteria including Transwomen; the clinical experts won't overlook biology, even if other stakeholders do, and fake suicide risk aside, how would it get past the quality added life years

then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

It would not be illegal if the criteria were clinical.

Say it:

A man (male-bodied adult human) could no more carry a foetus than he could lay an egg.

Up with this arsebiscuits we shall not put.

Yes the womb and all the ligaments are all connected to the spine and sacrum. I remember a TED talk where a bi woman talked about what a mind fuck it is trying to map a female body onto a bloke when she knows full well that the curves and structure of a woman's back is totally different to his.

During the pregnancy, the abdominal muscles part in a particular way. Is a male body even capable of making room for an expanding uterus?

Is anyone going to link to 'Holy Grail' and Stan/Loretta?

Up with this arsebiscuits we shall not put.

Never has Yoda been more wise.

....Life of Brian I meant!