Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

Yes all the unreported murders.
The streets are just littered with unidentified courses of undetermined gender....

R0wan every time you post, it’s something fascinating. You’re a human encyclopaedia

(Note, you have not literally changed into a book.)

So one murder, lots of online e reports of hate incidents involving twitter.

human encyclopaedia

Now there's a shockfest horror movie title.

That article about bulimia reminds of one I read about a (Dutch?) official whose job prior to the internet was to make decisions about what type of porn depicting what acts was allowed to be distributed.

It was a fascinating article and he talked about the Pandora's Box/contagion element of introducing images and acts into the populous that the average person would never likely conjure up with own imagination.

I wish I'd bookmarked it or could remember where I read it because it was really interesting.

The only murder I found was that of Naomi Hersi

Only one? That you can find? Oh, only one, that''s alright then

How dare you. I said nothing about it being "all right".

You have no evidence whatsoever of attacks being unreported. You and JazzBunny are painting this picture of trans women being at risk of violence yet there is nothing reported to bear this out compared to the daily reports of violence against women and children- or even young men for that matter.

Given police have been having words with individuals about deadnaming on Twitter I think it unbelievable that the media, in one format or another, would not be covering actual physical attacks.

And show me where a transwomen has been attacked by a woman (or even a man in recent times)... I'll wait

It said attack. Not murder. People aren't believing they're attacked.
"If I can't see any reports on the net then it can't be trooo, they're not, they're all fine and dandy and nobody's getting attacked."
Right. Ok. There's no arguing with that kind of head in the sand stance.

How dare you. I said nothing about it being "all right"

That's how it came across though, sorry but it did especially coupled with others saying it doesn't happen and they don't get attacked.
Of course they do

Who has said they don't get attacked?

Yes, Debbie Hayton got verbally abused in Birmingham and has just tweeted about it. Funnily enough, it wasn't by radfems, it was by two blokes who initially thought they'd enjoy a bit of objectifying a woman, and then clocked Debbie as trans and abused them. I'm stone cold certain they haven't been reading the rad fems of FWR and felt incited to abuse Debbie. So the problem isnt with us, is it? It's with men. Which might be exactly what we've been saying all along.

Gay bashing was certainly a thing back in the day.

Still is.
www.rugbypass.com/news/gareth-thomas-beaten-in-homophobic-cardiff-attack/

From what I have read about the bullying that Jackie Green was subjected to, it appeared to be because Jackie was perceived to be gay.

The child in the recent TV programme 'Butterfly' was bullied about being 'gay'.

In fact, a lot of so-called transphobia appears to be driven by homophobia.

Is Debbie okay?
if you are reading.

To repeat. In the UK
There have been 10 reported TW murdered in the last 10 years. It actually comes out at roughly 1 per year.
To context that, roughly 500 people of either sex are murdered every year.
Worldwide last year 369 TW were murdered and about 400,000 people of either sex.
They are not disproportionately murdered.
There are no stats I can find on attacks. Which means they don't report them. But neither do women.

Debbie's tweet.

twitter.com/DebbieHayton/status/1094229588065046528?s=20

Respect and love to you Debbie.

It said attack. Not murder. People aren't believing they're attacked.
"If I can't see any reports on the net then it can't be trooo, they're not, they're all fine and dandy and nobody's getting attacked."
Right. Ok. There's no arguing with that kind of head in the sand stance

Even Pink News does not support your position that trans women are regularly being physically attacked in the UK. They did report this www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/22/hate-crime-attack-chester-transgender-women/amp/

You have produced no evidence to back up your claims that trans people are being attacked.

I suppose it depends on definition of ‘attack’. If saying something as benign as ‘pregnant woman’ or ‘breastfeeding’ is literal violence then the attacks on the trans community is never ending
If by ‘attack’ we mean physical violence then the numbers will be much lower, and no doubt the aggressors in huge majority of cases will be men. But still very doubtful this would be more than the physical violence encountered by women and girls day in, day out.

As for womb transplants for tranwomen, it’s never going to happen due to the many unacceptable risks that would pose to the foetus. Assuming medical ethics isn’t branded transphobic and banned of course

15,000 registered transwomen in the UK receiving or received treatment at a GIC centre. On average 1 transwoman is murdered every year. That's 1 in 15,000 which equates to 0.0066%.
139 women were murdered in the UK, including 21 from terrorist attacks. 32m women in the UK. 139 in 32,000,000 equates to 0.0004%

Now even if we take the estimated number of people suffering genderdysphoria in the UK that is estimated at about 200,000 but there is no hard data because many keep it hidden. You still come to a percentage of 0.0005% which is higher than the number of non-trans women who are murdered in the UK.

It is not statistical manipulation just because you don't like the facts. I was asked the question, and I provided the answer.

Women attacking transwoman:
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-carolina-trans-sexual-assault-raleigh-bathroom-bill-women-charged-a8718796.html

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/university-dropout-jesse-mcdonald-killed-trans-woman-after-sex-and-drug-binge-kwfskrkcl

Other
www.rt.com/uk/416727-sex-change-attacks-trans/

www.transadvocate.com/arsonist-terf-thinks-trans-women-are-immoral-should-be-beaten_n_21510.htm

www.stuff.co.nz/national/97064735/trans-woman-granted-nz-residency-to-protect-her-from-hate-crime-in-the-uk

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/transgender-woman-vows-defy-bigots-13841676

BUT AGAIN!! This isn't a competition! Bullying is bullying. Rape is rape. Violence is violence. And sadly even some women are sexually assaulted by other women... which prison do we put those in? www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/female-rapists-you-really-dont-expect-it-from-a-woman-because-theyre-meant-to-be-on-your-side/news-story/d8d62770b613b46695326e3d73e0eb6f

Stop bullying a marginalised minority. They are not the problem. I am getting to the point here, where I am going to ask why are you scared to go up against 'real' men? I've called on you several times now to start addressing the real problem... and you keep bringing it back to transwomen. Are you truly that insecure about your womanhood?

You are being played and you are contributing to male violence, and you just can't see it. It makes me weep for you. I would like to see you as allies fighting prejudice on various news sites. Taking on places like 4Chan and not allowing these incel misogynists get away with their hate without being challenged. But if you can't get over your hang up about transwomen, then I fear you are going to end up being the plaything of 'real' men for the rest of your lives... even if you don't realise it is happening to you. It makes me sad. You are no better than the men who seek to oppress us.

We might know more on stats if transwomen weren’t actually recorded as women. We’d also see a dip in incidences of ‘female’ violence.

Jazzbunny

You are the one who keeps bringing it back to transwomen, over and over again.

English law defines rape as a crime that is by definition committed by a man. Anyone with a penis is 'he' according to the statute.

. I would like to see you as allies fighting prejudice on various news sites. Taking on places like 4Chan and not allowing these incel misogynists get away with their hate without being challenged.

I'm fine here thanks mate, but do feel free to fo to 4Chan, Reddit and Kiwifarms and give them a piece of your mind.

jazz you are massively downplaying the number of transwomen. There are more than 15,000 and not all will be registered at a clinic.
None of the murdered TW were attacked by random strangers- they were by people known to the victim. That suggests that there is not an epidemic of attacks on transwomen.
And the risk is not the same. Transwomen will not be at the same risk of intimate partner violence as natal women. Men who abuse women in heterosexual relationships don’t tend to have relationships with TW. Not to say that TW can’t be victims of DV, but it’s of a different nature to the threat that heterosexual women face from partners.

15,000 registered transwomen in the UK receiving or received treatment at a GIC centre.

How many transwomen are there including self-identifiers not receiving treatment?

Oh and FWIW I do think trans people are subject to bullying and discrimination but I don’t think they face a high risk of murder in the UK.

Taking on places like 4Chan and not allowing these incel misogynists get away with their hate without being challenged.

Yes. Why aren't you doing that instead of harassing a bunch of women?