Jazz Jennings - 'My vagina looked SO bad that my mom, sister, and the surgeons wouldn't even let me look at it'

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"My vagina looked SO bad that my mom, sister, and the surgeons wouldn't even let me look at it. Eventually, I used a compact mirror to get a peak and all I could do was laugh. If only you guys knew.."

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"In life, everything is about attitude & perspective. Even though my vagina falling apart was the hardest thing I ever experienced, I knew that one day I would be fully healed & recovered. I had to adopt the mindset of my future self & know in my heart that everything would be ok."

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"I'm glad that this rare complication happened to me rather than to another trans individual. With the love & support of my family, it makes it easier for me to conquer a challenge like this. I can't imagine how devasting it would be for someone without that support system."

Jazz is talking about the multiple surgeries caused in large part because of the use of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

The 'devastating' effects are what Mermaids are campaigning for for thousands of UK children.

I think so, Ova, it’s long overdue.

We’ve recently been in a phase like the 80s, totally OTT; agree that a 90s natural look redux won’t be well received in some quarters.

It’ll be back to natural female appearance for the natal females, and long-haired androgyny for males so inclined. Which was always a more sensible approach, tbh.

I've not heard the term 'glass skin'. Is it related to the Korean beauty stuff because that really seems to be on the uptick?

Thank the gods, too much make-up makes people's natural visual ques and reactions very hard to read. It really is like wearing a mask.

I think in a few years Jazz when the media around her slows down, and people abandon her and boyfriends move on, she will find herself in a similar situation to David Peter Reimer. He was the boy who had a botched circumcision as an infant and he was reassigned and raised as a girl on the doctors suggestions. The poor guy struggled with this change his whole life and sadly as an adult took his own life. He passed away some 15 years ago. We meddle with lives by doing this to kids, and the outcome is not positive. It’s so sad.

I think a generation of young women are getting sick of getting up early to draw their faces on - my step daughter has just been staying with me for half term and she said some of her classmates (they are 12&13) get up at 5.30 am to do their faces! And that’s without eyeshadow etc because they aren’t supposed to be wearing make up in school at all!

We had a good chat about what you could achieve with that time (ie, 1-2 hours a day training for a sport or practising an instrument, practising drawing/painting or even just reading books).

That's nothing new though, although 5.30 is extreme. I remember in the 90s being motivated to get up so I had time to do hair and make up. Ironically of course I looked better bare faced back then than I ever will again. Now I can't be bothered with make up even though I would probably see more benefit than when I was a dewy youth.

The thing is, I heard a podcast with beauty editors chatting and they were saying companies won’t stop pushing the heavy makeup look, as now they’ve realised they can persuade people they need to buy 10 different makeup products for every day, they’re not going to start saying you only need 2-3.

Unless now it will be 10 makeup products, but to create a more natural no-makeup makeup look.

After Brexit when we're all fighting each other to the death over a dead rat from the gutter there won't be any money for all that makeup anyway.

I hope I'm joking.

Unless now it will be 10 makeup products, but to create a more natural no-makeup makeup look

Yes, I think it will be this. There are already lots of expensive products coming out to give that glass skin (yes, it's a Korean thing I think) look. I was watching a Lisa Eldridge video I think it was, and she was using this product that was like a face powder but sort of silicone, and it was to take too much shine away without looking flat - it looked interested so I looked it up and it was 40 quid!

The story of David Peter Reimer is horrific. The doctor was using the poor child as a test case to prove his theories. Little more than a guinea pig. Very similar to Jazz I fear.

We had a good chat about what you could achieve with that time (ie, 1-2 hours a day training for a sport or practising an instrument, practising drawing/painting or even just reading books).

I'm 67, never wear make-up, and get up at 5.30 am or earlier to WRITE books!

David Reiner and his twin brother were sexually abused by the doctor too

Nonotaman exactly. These are kids used as test cases. This sort of thing was banned because of the consequences. Doctors are not allowed to use kids for experiments like this. Sadly for Jazz she has enters the works and talked about liking girl things at a time that was ripe for a test kid scenario. They should have just let her be him and like girl things, be girly but grow to a man and then decide about these multiple operations. Testing this sort of thing in kids is abuse and horrendous. And the argument that the Jazz’s out there shouldn’t have to go through puberty as a boy if they think they’re a girl? Well better that and let them make an adult decision about it later on in life than have kids like Jazz become an adult and regret what she did as a child. Many people regret the choices or things they said as kids. The kid who wants to be an astronaut or a fire fighter. Mostly kids outgrow their childhood careers or likes and become teens and adults with completely different tastes. Unless the adults around them set them up to become an astronaut, or an amazing dancer or some careee driven activity it doesn’t happen. Has anyone notice that typically it’s the parents living through their kids that do this - if they push them at some talent or hobby? I feel for Jazz as she is carrying this whole belief system about transgenderism for kids and she won’t want to let people down. Sadly she has now had an operation and I think the kid inside her will be very confused and maybe even angry that the operation didn’t go as planned. Everyone around her obviously told her how successful it would be and she trusted them. Poor girl.

It is insane - kids should be left alone to grow up - aware of their actual biology.
Allowing youngsters to take puberty blockers is child abuse. Cross sex hormones are dangerous to a teenagers health.
It is bad enough being intersex and having to switch genders - BUT when no medical or chromosome need, than it should not be done.
I fear for Jazz - a young male, a boy, who was encouraged by media, family and medical profession, to undergo castration and mutilation, lost his fertility. the very people who SHOULD protect him as he grow up to be a healthy young man.
Biological sex change is impossible.
His parents have made a fortune, he has been paid loads by snowflake companies - ALL have abused this child -
He has become no more than a eunuch - and will have the same medical issues that intersex ppl have - FOR LIFE...

Utter madness...

I feel for Jazz as she is carrying this whole belief system about transgenderism for kids and she won’t want to let people down.

I agree. A very large proportion of the entire trans movement is resting squarely on Jazz's shoulders right now, as in, if Jazz decided to come out and say that perhaps the whole thing wasn't such a great idea after all, it would be literally catastrophic for the movement. Im also sure that there will be lots of rhetoric about 'not wanting to let other trans kids down' etc if Jazz were to ever express any doubt. Plus all that money that was made.

Jamie shupe, the first ever person in tbe US to be formally recognised as non binary, has spoken about how now he’s detransitioned, people are terrible to him and he’s person non grata

I was just posting on another thread about Jazz as I've been catching up with stuff. I was watching a few clips on a Kiwi Farms thread of Jazz's developments.

Jazz was saying how 3 weeks post op they had this new boyfriend. I know some people on here have suggested he is an actor. It just made me feel so sad. I'm a few weeks post a big op. It has been painful and I've had to get my head around the changes to my body. No way am I ready to start either dating anyone or talking on television about any new relationship. I just want to hunker down and grieve and heal (I'm still very sore some days!) and take it very gently.

We're all different but it has all made me feel so sad on Jazz's behalf. Their surgery has been utterly botched and there must be a lot of thoughts running through Jazz's head about their future. Jazz has suffered from depression - god knows what they're dealing with in reality. It is profoundly unhealthy to jump back into filming and to play along with a storyline about having a boyfriend at such a hugely vulnerable time.

There was lots of talk too about just how terrible some of the potential complications might be in the coming weeks/months/years and the full horror of what has been done to this kid hit home. Jazz has been groomed since they were 3. That is criminal. This is an individual who can have absolutely no clue who they are or what they want.

This is in realms of the medical experimentation done on David Vetter the 'boy in the bubble' in the 70s. And to a lesser extent, Genie Wiley. Both children celebrated all over the press for 'ground breaking treatment', both had excited professionals exploring ideas with the press pushing them on and steering the narrative, both had professionals walk away, abandon them and carry on careers elsewhere when it all went wrong and the children and families were left to pick up the pieces, and in David's case he was severely psychologically damaged by the whole process. A shameful chapter in medicine largely successfully brushed under the carpet, and it's repeating itself with poor Jazz Jennings.

Wishing you the best for gentle and comfortable healing, Floomph

Hi NotANotMan , the other one was Susie G's child, (now adult) Jackie, who was transed at age nine. The TRAs are all about how important it was for Jackie G. and other kids to access blockers, because otherwise they'd grow up with clockable male characteristics and not be able to "pass" without extensive cosmetic surgeries.

So when I finally saw interview footage of JG as an adult, and realised the drugs had done sweet fuck all in terms of appearance, it peaked me all over again. All the problems caused by leuprorelin stunting organ development, the risks and physical damage done by the heavy duty chemo drugs, and for what? JG has still grown up to have the height, build, shoulders, hips, hands, feet, and facial features typical of an adult male. And JG does seem like a nice person, who does not deserve to be exploited. I only hope J is lucky enough to escape any long term side effects .

This was posted yesterday

Mermaids 🧜🏻‍♀️
@MermaidsGender
28 Feb
Today we’re going to join in with the
@HRC
and many schools and communities around the US and beyond, in reading “I am Jazz” - written by
@JazzJennings_
about her experiences as a #trans girl.

Why not join us?

www.welcomingschools.org/resources/books/welcoming-schools/international-jazz-friends-school-and-community-readings/

They are a sick bunch, they get away with their stuff, as registered as charity and only give out contacts and NOT advice...

But clearly advocates of Puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for youngsters - UTTER DISGRACE -
i have complained to National Lottery and Charity commissioners about this bunch

Please make sure any parents you know DO not use these people.. not better than child abuse

Today we’re going to join in with the @HRC and many schools and communities around the US and beyond, in reading “I am Jazz” - written by @JazzJennings__ about her experiences as a #trans girl.

This is so wrong. If they at least promoted a narrative, where you may change your feeling about 'being' a boy or a girl 'in your brain'. But no, once you feel it, it is set in stone and you should start laying money aside for your SRS on the prepubescent genital across the Atlantic.

Here's the video of Democrats reading 'I am Jazz' in the House of Representatives.

Unfortunately in binary US politics if the right don't like castrating children, then the left feel obliged to support it.

Representatives:

Jackie Speier (San Mateo) reads 'my favourite colour is pink' and 'I like high heels and princess gowns. I have a girl brain but a boy body. This is called transgender. I was born this way.

Angie Craig (Minnesota 2nd - marginal seat)

Here is the BBC3 documentary on teenaged Jackie, for those interested:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=WkWv9cbda4c