Jazz Jennings - 'My vagina looked SO bad that my mom, sister, and the surgeons wouldn't even let me look at it'

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"My vagina looked SO bad that my mom, sister, and the surgeons wouldn't even let me look at it. Eventually, I used a compact mirror to get a peak and all I could do was laugh. If only you guys knew.."

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"In life, everything is about attitude & perspective. Even though my vagina falling apart was the hardest thing I ever experienced, I knew that one day I would be fully healed & recovered. I had to adopt the mindset of my future self & know in my heart that everything would be ok."

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"I'm glad that this rare complication happened to me rather than to another trans individual. With the love & support of my family, it makes it easier for me to conquer a challenge like this. I can't imagine how devasting it would be for someone without that support system."

Jazz is talking about the multiple surgeries caused in large part because of the use of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

The 'devastating' effects are what Mermaids are campaigning for for thousands of UK children.

I also have more and better orgasms now \I'm older

I cannot, of course, speak for other older women - but post-menopause, I find it's not as good, unfortunately.

VickyEadie

Thank you vibrators for bringing me that.

Just sayin'.

I've done that vibrators thing too...

Apparently there was a higher percentage of orgasm than in a natural clitoris.

All this tells you is the man writing it can’t get a women to orgasm (probably because they were a porn soaked pillock) but could wank themselves into a stupor 7 times a day and thusly have concluded that the penis must somehow be more sensitive than the clitoris.

Sexual ineptitude is not evidence of biological differences.

Maybe you need your clitoris replacing with a donated penis tip, Vicky?

(too far? )

Ime once an area has been 'woken up' whether by person or by Ann Summers' finest, it sort of comes out in sympathy when a related area is stimulated in future.

So the total area that is orgasmic sort of expands as more mini-areas get 'woken up' and added to it and that generally happens with time.

This is JUST my experience though.

I've done that vibrators thing too...

🤣

I do sometimes wonder if these things are actually designed by women.

(stops sidetracking)
That's so exciting! Possibly without STBX I have even more to look forward to.

Yeah. I feel sad for the people who have been transed early, too early to be making permanent decisions about their own bodies, and have to make do with such limited function afterwards.

Will Jazz (and others) have to stay on puberty blockers for life? What would happen if they stopped using them - is there a 'window' of time that passes? Would their body go thru puberty if they stopped at say 25?

My orgasms cover a massive part of my lower body. Poor Jazz won't even get one of those clitoris twitch fauxgasms that kind of pretend to be an orgasm but then sputter into nothing.
Jazz has been desexed.

Will Jazz (and others) have to stay on puberty blockers for life? What would happen if they stopped using them - is there a 'window' of time that passes? Would their body go thru puberty if they stopped at say 25?

Jazz's body has developed female characteristics through administering oestrogen as a young teen. Jazz now has no testicles so won't need to continue taking anti androgens.
I don't know what would have happened if jazz had stopped the anti androgens and oestrogen and started to produce testosterone. Possibly a type of puberty but unlikely to be a full and normal male puberty.

So biologically as Jazz has not, and can not go through puberty, Jazz will remain a child for ever.

The realisation that puberty blockers prevent, well, not just physical changes but also changes in the brain>
The natural albeit a total PITA "teenage" thing
Where children desire independence and parents are the worst on EARTH and all of that > a necessary part of growing up for us human-monkeys

Doesn't happen

My younger DD is 9. She is adorable. I would love to keep her like this forever but it would be wrong. As wrong as stunting her physical growth. She will become teenagery and we will live through that and hopefully still have a good relationship when she comes out the other side!

There is a MASSIVE incentive for parents, keeping their kids ever loving. ever dependent. No slammed doors no boundary pushing no growing up. No sexual desire but hey lots of parents hate the idea of their kids growing up and having sex.

The realisation that Jazz, due to blockers, will forever be childlike... WTF that is WRONG. Just, no.

Maturity brings us perspective, caution.

Children are easily manilpulated not just because they are young in years. They are trusting, naïve. Even the horribly abused ones.

The idea that people can be kept that way forever is genuinely creepy.
Reading on here about this - Jazz - specifically - an old episode where as a 15 yo born male they said they had never experienced an erection, never had a wank, never felt the need to...?

As much as male / masculine sexuality is something as a feminist I want men as a group to just fucking stop screwing us over all over the world

I don't want this.

I know we’ve kind of moved along from the brain development but this bothers me. A lot.

We don’t allow children to drive because we know from studies that the pre—puberty brain just cannot make the decisions needed to drive. Eg judge speed and distance quickly and accurately.

Children make a disproportionate number of the casualties in collisions due to their inability to make safe decisions.

Are these poor sods condemned to a life of no sex, and also no ability to drive? Vulnerable in other ways. Too naive and trusting to navigate the adult world safely.

I also have more and better orgasms now \I'm older

I cannot, of course, speak for other older women - but post-menopause, I find it's not as good, unfortunately

Yes nobody told me how everything shrivels up post menopause but I don't find I miss it.

The one thing nobodies mentioned and something kids aren't told these days is it is so much better when you really love someone.

We don't let 11 year olds take cocaine because they want to. Or even have a drink or smoke.

And the (well known, much researched) side effects of those drugs are far less than what happens to a person who is held in perpetual pre-pubescence

It's crazy

Kismetjayn Your friend is intersex, not hermaphrodite. 'Intersex' is an umbrrella term for a range of conditions which give rise to genital and/or hormonal abnormalities; 99% of intersex people are chromosomally male or female. You can find out more here: www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex

This thread is so painful to read.
I hope all our politicians read it.
My heart goes out to Jazz. I really hope she can get the support she needs.
Where are all the grown ups in her life ?

Making a lot of money mostly red

I know Mrsk it's tragic

I have feelings ranging between pity and rage when I think of what they have done to Jazz.

No sexual function - likely ever.
Who knows what has happened brain function wise.
This is not going to deal with Jazz's mental health problems.

Why is research not being done to catalogue the long term effects of this?
I fear catastrophic harm being done.

It is awful. She has never had any sexual feelings and likely never will. This is a huge part of life that she's completely removed from.

And yes, being now in the thick of observing teenage emotional and social development, the changes that they go through are necessary for them to take their place in society. They have to feel invincible and limitless so that they explore all the possibilities life has to offer. They have to make foolish and risky decisions so that they can come out the other side knowing what consequences mean. How can anyone get what they need from life if they haven't gone through this process? It's not just a matter of brain chemistry but of experiencing life as they should and as they have been programmed to do since their cells started dividing in their mother's uterus.

Sorry, going back a long way to the animal question... At least 2 award winning dog breeders have told me that they would never contemplate spaying a bitch before she had a season because puberty is an important developmental stage (bone, brain etc). One also advised a mutual friend to go elsewhere when the breeder announced they were spaying pups before selling.

Why would we give this consideration to our animals but not children?

Why would we give this consideration to our animals but not children?

Indeed.

I'm sure I've read lately that studies have shown that youngsters don't fully mature until they are about 25. When most people thought it was probably a little younger than that.

My question is, how do they know?
Why can't they use the same method to find out what happens to kids on puberty blockers?

Although, knowing that James Caspian, of Bath spa University has spent two years fighting to have his ethics committee's decision overturned in order for him to study detransitioners, I've probably answered my own question.

His ethics committee refused permission on the basis that it wasn't politically correct and they didn't want to be vilified across social media.

I can easily imagine research into puberty blockers not being done, until there is an off a lot of money at stake in terms of lawsuits.