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Transgender child at DD’s school. Please help me write to the head?

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Comeymemo · 05/02/2019 09:14

DD attends an independent co-Ed British international school. We are in a jurisdiction that provides for protection against sex discrimination, including in education. This country has no protection against discrimination on the basis of gender, and only recognises transgender persons when the person has undergone full reassignment surgery (including sterilisation). In other words, there is no right to self gender identification where we live.

The school is split in houses, all of which are either all boys or all girls. The school has a mix of boarders and non boarders.

We recently received a letter from the head, saying that a male pupil will be moving to a girl’s house after half term as the pupil is transgender. The letter states that the pupil will use the unisex accessible toilet including to undress (eg for sports). The letter does not state if the pupil is a boarder.

I want to write to the school outlining my concerns and would welcome any help.

The areas where I would like to get reassurance are:

  • confirmation that the pupil will not be allowed to compete against girls or to be in girls’ teams for any sports
  • confirmation that the pupil will not be allowed to play female parts in any dramatic productions (DD is into sports and drama and I don’t think it fair that female roles should be given to boys, as male parts are never available to girls)
  • confirmation that the school will never allow the pupil to board in a girls’ house or to have access to girls’ boarding houses
  • confirmation that girls will never be allowed or expected to share a bedroom with the pupil on any overnight trip
  • confirmation that the school are not altering their records to reflect the pupil’s so-called self-ID, so that the pupil remains listed as male
  • confirmation that the pupil is not taking the place of any girl on any awards or recognition list, such as for school prefect, scholarships or prizes that are only available to girls.
  • would it be reasonable to request that DD is not in the same house as that pupil?

At this stage I don’t want to engage into a broader debate with the school over human rights, feminist theory or GC theory, so I’m trying to stay as down to earth as possible and seek clarification on practical areas.

Is there anything else you can think of that would be relevant in this context? Please feel free to direct me to other threads if this has been done before.

Many thanks 🙏

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Hamster00 · 05/02/2019 22:16

GlitterStick

Gender Dysphoria IS a mental illness. That's why trans folks (well transsexuals but I don't know about the rest), have to go through psychiatric assessments at a gender identity clinic.

1 psychiatrist for 1st opinion
1 psychiatrist for 2nd opinion
1-3 psychiatrists for the 2 years doing the RLE
1 psychiatrist for surgical assessment 1st opinion
1 psychiatrist for surgical assessment 2nd opinion

Now - you don't go and see a psychiatrist for the flu or a sore finger. Been there, done it, got the t-shirt, so it's a true undeniable fact.

ROGD is a trend. Being "trans" is "trendy" now. Go look at YouTube and Reddit and all the other places kids hang out and watch their favourite adolescent VLoggers telling them how to breast bind or how to get hormones illegally by bypassing the GP

Go look at the blogs, forums, Twitter where hormones are referred to as "tit tacs" and the like. The fetishisation of "girl dick", the erasure of lesbians, the constant TRA onslaught of trying to appropriate womanhood, the erasure of single sex spaces.

It wasn't like this 5 years ago. The trans umbrella has been widened so far it now includes hairy panty wearers who wear their wives knickers under their business suits - to the GD transsexual and EVERYTHING in between. There are no boundaries anymore. It IS a contagion.... and it's getting worse.

There NEEDS to be a pushback because fuck knows where we will be in another 5 years.

Trousering · 05/02/2019 22:16

It's the glitter rage.

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:16

why are you talking about children not being "legit trans"?

I'm not Confused

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:17

Oi oi glitter

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:18

Oi oi glitter

Confused
littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:20

Yes I asked you a question about what is a woman or the sense of a woman
It’s a basic question

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:20

Just seen you post a comment a bit further up before my comment posted.
Makes a bit more sense now - you've been answered upthread.

Trousering · 05/02/2019 22:21

😂 Hamster got trans-ally-splained 😂

With glitter on.

Hamster00 · 05/02/2019 22:21

littlebrowndog

I'm still waiting for Glitter's documented scientific evidence of someone being born in the wrong body PAGES back. I wouldn't hold your breath.

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:21

Crossposted again (check the times) before anyone accuses me of not answering. I already did,

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:23

Did you ?
Can you recap cos I can’t see it

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:25

Hamster helooooo
I saw glitter never acknowledged your post either.
Which was a cracker tbf

anniehm · 05/02/2019 22:28

I don't know about your child's school but my DD's boarding school has a room that is neither in the boys nor girls section which can be used by disabled students or (once) a gender confused student (they have returned to identifying as their birth gender).

LangCleg · 05/02/2019 22:44

It IS a contagion.... and it's getting worse.

Yes, and if my child was at a boarding school - a much more intense and close environment than a normal school - and a trans child was a pupil, I would want to know what safeguarding procedures the school had to guard against cluster contagion. I would also want to know whether my child was going to be taught the genderist religious catechism about the souls of one sex in the body of another.

This does not imply any ill feeling towards the gender-questioning child on my part. It implies my requirement that the school my child attends has sufficient safeguarding policies and also that it does not teach religion (any religions) as fact but as the metaphysical belief system it is.

By the same token, kids can be unkind. So I would also be telling my child in no uncertain terms not to partake in any mocking or bullying of the gender-questioning child.

Aenn · 05/02/2019 22:52

Holy fuck op
Why don’t you just leave the situation alone
Poor poor child
Sad

Your concerns are all theoretical. You are pontificating about nothing. Your dd is fine. This child is in turmoil.

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2019 22:56

Which poor child aenn ?

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 22:59

Which poor child aenn ?

I'm assuming the one that OP and others don't even want in the school play. Unless it's under conditions and pre approved roles.

RepealTheGRA · 05/02/2019 23:03

Medication can and is prescribed for under 16s both privately and on the NHS.

I look forward to the inevitable public enquiry into WTAF we thought pathologising and sterilising gender non conforming and/or gay children and experimenting on them with off label drugs was a good idea I’m the early 21st century.

Hamster00 nice to see you still posting here.Smile

Thisnamechanger · 05/02/2019 23:16

Your dd is fine. This child is in turmoil

This. A lot.

Chocolate50 · 05/02/2019 23:16

Is this pupil undetgoing any therapy like hormones?
It might not be such an issue if she is.
Not all boys are good at sport.
The school are trying to reassure the parents by explaining that said child will be using different toilets ( & presumably different showers because otherwise the toilet thing wouldn't be needed).
Your post reads as competitive. I think these type of scenarios will become more normal I'm sure you won't want to hear that....

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2019 23:46

The bit where GlitterStick told a trans person (Hamster) they only disagreed with Glitter because they have no experience of dysmorphia was my favorite part of this thread. Nothing quite like a failed gotcha to make my day!

RE the OP, write to the Head and lay out your concerns. Luckily for you the law seems to be on your side where you live, so point that out if you need to.

GlitterStick · 05/02/2019 23:50

The bit where GlitterStick told a trans person (Hamster) they only disagreed with Glitter because they have no experience of dysmorphia was my favorite part of this thread. Nothing quite like a failed gotcha to make my day!

No I didn't. At all. Anywhere. Confused

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2019 23:51

Page 8.

Trousering · 05/02/2019 23:59

You did glitter, at 14.35. You were in full sail with your sanctimonious pomp and had no idea you were transplaining trans to a transsexual regular here. We did though so it was really funny to watch.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/02/2019 00:03

BTW, hi, Hamster! Was wondering if you'd gone on a MN break.

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