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Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

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glitchliz · 29/01/2019 10:54

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

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NotTerfNorCis · 31/01/2019 07:59

Horse no, 'a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman'.

Liz was even happy to defend Karen White's claim to be a woman.

Calvinsmam · 31/01/2019 08:03

The ‘anyone who identifies as a woman’ shit really annoys me because it’s so obviously untrue especially the other way.
You can’t just ‘identify’ as a man and society treat you as such.
The thing that trans activists forget about gender is that it’s not s social construct that you create yourself but a something that is constructed upon you by society.

merrymouse · 31/01/2019 08:09

The ‘anyone who identifies as a woman’ shit really annoys me because it’s so obviously untrue especially the other way.
You can’t just ‘identify’ as a man and society treat you as such.

Agree.

Floisme · 31/01/2019 08:15

If someone someone tells me they're a woman because they identify as a woman, then what they're really telling me is that they have no idea whatsoever what being a woman is like.

AbsintheFriends · 31/01/2019 08:23

I've pretty much read it all, and I've found it really illuminating. Not in the way Liz intended, obviously.

For me, the most significant bits:

  1. A woman is anyone who says they are a woman.
Clearly batshit (no pun intended.) Under that principle, dictionaries will be obsolete. ("Oligarch: anyone who says they are an oligarch." "Kohlrabi: anything that is labelled kohlrabi" etc) Despite repeated pressing on this point, no clearer explanation or justification of this point was made.
  1. Liz considers herself to be a woman, but is very firmly of the opinion that Rachel Dolezal is not black. Because 'genetics' apparently.
For me, this is where Liz's house of cards collapses in on itself.
  1. AGP is not a thing. Not at all. It is an outrageous lie invented by one person to make transwomen look bad. (I think the fact that many men talk openly about their AGP was brushed under the carpet. Which, itself, speaks volumes.)

But it's been really interesting. I commend Liz for sticking around and revealing so much.

nauticant · 31/01/2019 08:23

Things I've learned from this thread:
If you're talking about non-dysphoric trans people, it looks like a fetish. Gender euphoria looks like a fetish.
Being a woman is apparently about stereotypes. It has nothing to do with biology.
It is OK to act towards women in an intimidatory way. If it's challenged, it didn't happen.
Gaslighting is a key part of the gender identity ideology.
Safeguarding of children is a non-issue. They can be told they can change sex even though if a gender critical person asks "can humans change sex?", this question must never be answered honestly.

And then the rest, and there's so much more. Having seen a "rational" defence of gender identity ideology I realise that it's even more important than I'd thought to speak up against it.

nauticant · 31/01/2019 08:23

Things I've not learned from this thread:

Why would anyone pose with a baseball bat, of a particular type that is associated with threatening women with violence, in their pants.

I've seen an explanation. It looked rubbish. I've seen an apology. But it doesn't explain why.

Horsewithnoman · 31/01/2019 08:23

Taken at face value the "anyone who identifies" mantra then seems to mean we are all just PEOPLE.

(...with varying degrees of identity-crisis?)

sackrifice · 31/01/2019 08:25

If someone tells me that they are a woman because they feel like one and then cannot go on to explain what feelings those actually are, and then says they feel better around women but then also have a baseball bat to use against those same people they 'feel better' around, it makes me think that it is about having power and control of that group of people not about feeling better with those people.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 31/01/2019 08:26

I called this thread for what it was on the third post.

Do I have some super-special gift; or was it all just more of the same old same old?

What a headscratcher...

Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.
BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 31/01/2019 08:27

yes, it's the complete inability to explain why Liz was a woman that we particularly infuriating.

I suspect that Liz had correctly identified the question as a trap, because the answer will be a load of nonsense that basically boils down to being sexually submissive.

nauticant · 31/01/2019 08:28

Oh, and I was forgetting my manners.

Thanks very much @glitchliz for coming on to this thread and investing time and effort in answering many many questions. It has been very helpful indeed.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 31/01/2019 08:29

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Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.
sackrifice · 31/01/2019 08:35

Peanuts are peas not nuts. They grow on the stems, but the flower withers away, forms a long string which falls to the ground and the peanut grows underground.

Kohl Rabi is a member of the brassica family whose stem bulges to make a sphere, and is similar to a turnip on speed, but actually tastes of cabbage so can be grated in coleslaw. It grows very quickly, from sowing to harvest in around 8 weeks all being well.

Almonds are seeds of the almond tree. Pistachios are seeds of the pistachio tree, a relative of the cashew. And cashews consist of the cashew Apple and the 'nut' which grows out of the bottom of the apple and is more useful than the apple itself.

O4FS · 31/01/2019 08:42

I think it became clear when Liz posted on Twitter:
“Sure! Commenters have said that my unbanning and the undeletion of the thread was as a result of member lobbying.“

Still, I wanted to hear Liz and I wanted to understand the issues better. I am genuinely concerned about the impact self Id will have on young trans people’s access to good health resources and the medicalising of children without thorough and robust mental health resources available.

We were told ‘I’m claiming ‘woman’ and you can go and create your own group, have your meetings, but ‘woman’ is mine’.

I really don’t understand how a ‘woman’ does not have any undertstanding of women.

andyoldlabour · 31/01/2019 08:49

"Liz was even happy to defend Karen White's claim to be a woman."

Madigan also tried to defend White when the Sun posted the article about the assaults in the women's prison, saying that the accusations were fabricated.
Trans activists will always defend each other, no matter what the crime.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 31/01/2019 08:52

No need to claim ‘woman’. It was never lost.

sackrifice · 31/01/2019 08:58

We were told ‘I’m claiming ‘woman’ and you can go and create your own group, have your meetings, but ‘woman’ is mine’.

Actually Liz said you can have your own group as long as it doesn't exclude anyone.

Which basically means you can't have your own group.

O4FS · 31/01/2019 08:59

Trans activists will always defend each other, no matter what the crime

And it feels very much the same as men defending men, NAMALT etc etc.

Ribosomes · 31/01/2019 09:02

Very long time lurker and I had to register for this.

How can someone say that you cannot change race because of the genetic difference caused by different alleles which control surface differences such as skin and eye colour, but you can change from male to female which is controlled by having different sex chromosomes? How can people not see the massive inconsistency in this?

It is impossible to try to understand the mental gymnastics involved in thinking that you can't change race, but that you can change the biologically huge differences between men and women.

They try to get around it by conflating sex and gender.

But sex is an actual thing and gender is a nonsense social construct. And in doing so, try to remove rights given to women by nature of their sex.

Oh I forgot, clown fish. Well clown fish have gills too, and I don't see any of us breathing under water any time soon.

Thank you for all you have done and written about this topic. It is very important. And you do it with wit and style and poise.

sackrifice · 31/01/2019 09:03

Everyone on the planet knows from an early age whether they are the sex that gestates or not. Everyone.

AspieAndProud · 31/01/2019 09:06

Ask me anything you like!

My reference to your picture in another thread was deleted because MN nightshift think the image is transphobic.

Do you think it’s a transphobic image?

Floisme · 31/01/2019 09:07

I am full of Envy at Ribos first post. Mine was something along the lines of, 'Yes I agree.'

Batteriesallgone · 31/01/2019 09:10

I know ribosomes.

My gut reaction to the ‘what if you woke up in a man’s body’ question was - but what about my baby? OK he’s not a baby he’s a toddler but we cosleep and he breastfeeds. I cannot imagine the trauma for him of waking up next to a strange male body and being forcibly weaned from breastfeeding because my female breasts have been swapped out for a male chest. I’m not sure saying to him it’s ok, my brain is the same, would really cut it re: reducing the trauma, tbh.

I’m not sure if Liz stopped to think this is a board mostly populated by female-bodied women, and there’s a good chance some of those may be pregnant (given the name of the sight).

For those people waking up in a male body would not be just a shock it would also involve the instant trauma of losing the pregnancy. There’s just no appreciation of these fundamental physical differences that are so much more important than how you look.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 31/01/2019 09:17

women's bodies can do things men's bodies can't

men's bodies can do things women's bodies can't

if you like wearing floating clothing or high heels of playing with chainsaws or posting pictures of yourself on the internet in your briefs, that is your personality

it has nothing to do with your sex. You don't get to chose that. the rest is up to you though

it's not fucking hard