Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

Or the baseball bats of empowerment.

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Actually Floral You're not wrong. There ARE good people, and in some part, that's why we're where we are. People want to be sympathetic and helpful to those they've been told are oppressed and vulnerable. They want to do the right thing. That comes from a place of good heart.

It is common knowledge among con artists that the more intelligent someone is, the more likely they are to fall for a con. Doctors make some of the best marks, for grifters. Because intelligent people have become accustomed to their intelligence serving them well, and so they don't second guess themselves as much as they should.

I think that and the actual fact of good-hearted people has created a confluence with malignant forces of misogyny -- and here we are, in a place of utter irrationality that's taking a lot of effort and patience to unwind.

Divn't worry bonny lass, I'm constantly having to correct my childhood misperceptions. I like to fancy myself as a romantic child as opposed to just a bit dim, which is probably closer to the truth.

I used to think the song was saying that we were common Wombles. As in, not posh.

we'd have to change the definitions in the Equality Act

No - I thought the idea was that we were defining 'womble' to mean the-class-formerly- known-as-Women , ie 'adult human females' - and therefore 'womble' now acquires the protected characteristic of sex. (No idea where that leaves harmless yellow creatures formerly known as wombles, I suppose they'll have to appropriate a label from another group and so on...)

931 messages when women could simply have said Fuck Off. Men would.

931 messages when women could simply have said Fuck Off. Men would.

Of course.

But then we couldn't say to the other 12 million mumsnet users/MPs/journalists, see! here's what we're talking about.

Anne Hutchinson, I think the problem is most people are good, so it only takes a few, one or two, to know how to use that and a lot of good people will do a lot of harm. The whole of trans actvism was hinged on people being good, and then people being scared...and all of a sudden we have people using bats in a conversation about laws protecting us from violence demanding entry cos they say so...and everyone is paralysed like rabits in the headlights while we stand up o it. We may as well do it visibly now they cant deviate.

I used to think the song was saying that we were common Wombles.

I think it's very understandable, if you hadn't heard of Wimbledon Common which many people wouldn't have done.

I no longer trust my normal/ Fufk y00u lefties!!!!!!!!77

Wish upon a star! Cant help feel feminisists have brought this on themse
lves. So accomodating to everything when I had a natural fear as a mother. Shouted down for being allegedly homophobic when that was the last thing I was. It seems its in your rush to be all seeing cool you were hoisted by your own peterd

Well as a young child I knew that Wimbledon Common was a place. Because that's where the Wombles lived. Simples. Although I was quite convinced that the Wombles (although on the show were puppets obviously) were based on some animal that is native to the UK. Not such a stretch when you grow up with Kangaroos, Koalas etc.

But to be clear, power to you, and Posie Parker! Bring back the family.I am truly sick of funding everyone and their dog!

Delurking to say thank you for this thread.
It really helped me understand. I couldn’t put my muddled thought process into words before; now I feel that I can explain my unease and give rational clear reasons when challenged about why I feel deeply uncomfortable with self-identifying as female meaning unchallenged access to safe female only spaces.
People who responded; you weren’t just talking to Liz.

Oh and I should add that I adored the Wombles and Magic Roundabout.
You guys always had the best to shows for young children. Unfortunately by the time I had kids of my own there was Teletubbies, less said about that the better. Although I believe they had quite the following of people coming down from whatever drugs they had at raves the night before - so I guess there's that.

So I’ve finally read the entire thread in between working and I’ve concluded the following:

1. The usual questions of logic that only have one answer went ignored, will always go ignored because they can’t be answered without the entire house of cards falling down.

2. the thread has been very useful to demonstrate that however well meaning a person may be, there are still questions that can’t be answered and still strong arguments for women’s rights that can’t be refuted and I salute those who did this throughout the thread.

3. I always thought it was common Wombles too. I would be surprised if that’s the only 1980s kids’ tv show theme song I’ve misheard for 30 years.

The ONLY reason women have specific legal rights is because we have female bodies.

It’s why we have maternity rights, it’s why we have single SEX spaces and it’s why we are entitled to be medically examined/intimately searched and politically represented by other people with female bodies.

If ‘woman’ is really a psychological state, rather than a biological state, why would these laws and protections for female bodies exist?

And for what reason would a person seek legal rights that they cannot legitimately make use of (due to not having a female body)?

I cannot come up with anything nice and only one or two neutral-ish things. Yet the list of not-nice things is ever growing.

Luckily the TRA have given us a more or less serviceable rebrand - if we just drop the ‘assigned’ bit, we can be FAB 😍

Prisons and refuges, changing rooms, sports and toilets for FAB people will encompass transmasc and female-bodied non-binary people so no one will be excluded on the basis of gender identity (or race or disability or age or nationality or fertility status and people with disorders of sexual development will sometimes need some medical tests but drs are really good at discerning FAB disorders from MAB disorders nowadays, so in a country with socialised health care, they aren’t a problematic gotcha for law makers).
Sorted. We can use this classification for crime statistics and medical research and monitoring things like wages and mortality rates.

Of course, FAB is a bit unwieldy to use all the time, so those of us without a trans identity will no doubt continue to use the traditional terms for FAB people when referring to ourselves - ‘women’ and ‘girls’.

Thanks for the inspiration, Liz.

I showed DD(7) The Flumps recently. She was unimpressed.

Well this went exactly how I thought it would. Thanks for proving me right, Liz!

Couple of questions I would have asked though if timezones weren't a thing...

1. If, say, Trump came out as a Transwoman tomorrow would you honestly believe him? Would you then believe that he had always been a woman, never had male privilege, is a lesbian, is the first female President? Would you be okay with history textbooks stating this?

1. Seeing as you are in tech (specifically Information Security) why do you think there seems to be a disproportionately amount of transwomen in the industry?

(I guess I am asking these questions now to the 12million visitors to the site)

At least you can’t get the words wrong to The Flumps.

Bubum, bubum, bubumbeebuum...

Peanut butter and Wombles... is this the same thread?!

I see things have moved on!

You can turn coal into a crystal with peanut butter.

www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/qi/8434868/QI-Quite-interesting-facts-about-nuts.html

All I got from that article is that anything can identify as a nut whether it really is one or not.

Couldn't read it all too long, but simple question:

Was a definition of woman provided that did not include the word "woman"?

I showed DD(7) The Flumps recently. She was unimpressed.

Sacrilege!