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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

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glitchliz · 29/01/2019 10:54

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

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AnneHutchinson · 30/01/2019 23:58

When I was aged about 11, a rumour went round our class that if you kissed your elbow, you could turn into the opposite sex. All of the girls tried; none of the boys did. None of us could kiss our elbows.

AnneHutchinson · 30/01/2019 23:58

Yikes! meth made of peanut butter would be quite sticky up the nose, I should think.

lisamuggeridge · 30/01/2019 23:59

If you are going to demand that the rule of law that evolved over decades be dissolved so you dont feel bad, you are probably going to need a better strategy than twitter nutters, 'I said so' and a Guardian editorial. we might as well just use what they are showing us about the instityutions who pushed this, cos the only thing these activists now know how to do is demonstrate what we are saying. There is no disagreement. I fully accept their position. Noted.

BeUpStanding · 30/01/2019 23:59

Also, peanuts, almonds, pistachios and cashews aren't nuts apparently (which I only discovered this week thanks to The Unbelievable Truth)

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:00

I nearly fell for a youtube video that said you could make a crystal from a charcoal briquette and peanut butter

I watched it with sproglet and it got to the end, and neither of us wanted to say that we had totally fallen for it...for quite a lt of the video. The peanut butter should have given it away but I was convinced for quite a long way after the peanut butter if am honest..

AngryAttackKittens · 31/01/2019 00:00

Peanut butter flavored meth? That's a bit boutique.

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:01

Angryattackkittens Look at cannabis edibles in the US though...probably only a matter of time.

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 31/01/2019 00:01

BeUpStanding - Well don't leave us hanging, what are they?

Is the answer: Ladee bollocks?

Ereshkigal · 31/01/2019 00:02

Isn't it? There could be a range: butterscotch, marshmallow and a festive mincemeat version.

Datun · 31/01/2019 00:03

Lisa, I am astonished that these people come here and think that their motivations will not be starkly obvious. My only conclusion is that they are so turned inwards that they genuinely don't have a clue how their stuff sounds.

I know, right?

And they always think they're the first to say things like I can't explain to you how I know I'm a woman (well duh). And the old perennial, all my friends are happy to let me violate their boundaries. And of course I don't advocate violence whilst (simultaneously, in this case), whipping up a fury on Twitter and posting baseball bat pics.

And of course, the marvellously ubiquitous AGP doesn't exist, (look into my eyes not around my eyes).

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:03

yeah Beupstanding, what are they? Being as you are all insitin on completely undermining everything I have ever known about the world by altering my entire understanding of fruit and vegetals..what are they?

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:05

''And they always think they're the first to say things like I can't explain to you how I know I'm a woman (well duh). And the old perennial, all my friends are happy to let me violate their boundaries. And of course I don't advocate violence whilst (simultaneously, in this case), whipping up a fury on Twitter and posting baseball bat pics.''

And they do think its the absolute frst time and hten go round and roun in the same circles of dissonance, completely unaware that we have all kind of moved past...uite a long time ago...what with the bats,,, and the masked men and the crazy people on twitter and the stalking...and te organised peadophiles.. and the rapists...

Then there they are still stuck on their adorable little circles.

ErrolTheDragon · 31/01/2019 00:05

TBF you could probably get a crystal from peanut butter if you really tried, but it'd just be a little salt one.

If anyone wants a bat to wield, there's always this

AnneHutchinson · 31/01/2019 00:05

Lisa

I've long said that all women need to do is create the conditions under which they reveal themselves to the general public. Small provocations achieve responses that are quite clear.

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:05

Feminism lol

FloralBunting · 31/01/2019 00:06

I think too, Lisa, that I often find myself wanting to ask the questions in the right way so that something persuasive will be forthcoming. It's taken me a long time to get to the jaded realization that there is no persuasive position. It's simply what they want, by simple fiat. You either acquiesce, or you say no and prepare for the meltdown and abuse.

And you'd think I'd have realized this after dealing with abuse from men before now, but it still surprises me on some level every time. I need to stop thinking people are basically good, because it's not true. People are basically selfish, and males have the brawn to back up their wants. Or the baseball bats of empowerment.

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:07

Same Anne, you jus have to let that shit demonstrate. During the safeguarding deate they requested. As they make a whole bunch of institutiuns liable for their actions and highlight dysfunction i those nstitutions at a really interesting time...

Forcing women to take political power is no bad thing though. Been awesome. Not sure what else we can do by paricipating in those circles though. We better of having the conversation that they demanded and then couldnt participate in.

rubisco · 31/01/2019 00:07

A womble-only service wouldn't meet the exemption requirements in the equality act, and so although Liz might not stop you setting one up, one of Liz's fellow TRAs certainly would.

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:10

''And you'd think I'd have realized this after dealing with abuse from men before now, but it still surprises me on some level every time. I need to stop thinking people are basically good, because it's not true. People are basically selfish, and males have the brawn to back up their wants. Or the baseball bats of empowerment''

I think you have to let that go. I think most people are good but some people cant, wont feel empathy, some cant see beyond own needs, and some are just malevolent. By the time somene is demanding access to spaces of safety from male violence with knives and bats cos they say so, you have to just accept what is happening and what that shit is.

AngryAttackKittens · 31/01/2019 00:10

There is no persuasive response, just what Tumlr likes to describe as REEEEEE.

(Mindless enraged screeching, basically.)

lisamuggeridge · 31/01/2019 00:12

Just google turning coal into diamonds youtube. THere are loads of them. And then never again be ashamed of your own gullibity and know that I fully went quite a long way through one of those videos falling for it...and it was definitely after they said peanut butter...

AncientLights · 31/01/2019 00:12

I used to live near Wimbledon Common, never saw a Womble, never thought I might actually be one either but now it looks as if I might. Thanks, Liz. So very kind of you to grant that small thing to us.

This - maybe consider whether or not that perception is based in a real threat or prejudice when discussing feeling in danger - is this consideration to be done in the moment or later, do we know? Because believing one's gut feeling about somebody is the reason some of us are still alive to tell the tale. By all means, analyse it later in safety and come to the conclusion you did the right thing. It's the only way. As women know.

AnneHutchinson · 31/01/2019 00:12

Oh, yes, we'd have to change the definitions in the Equality Act. But that should not be a problem. I repeatedly hear from TRAs they have no interest in the Equality Act, only in the GRA -- just the small administrative change they need to make, that's all. So I don't know why they'd object.

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 31/01/2019 00:12

As mothers, it's hard not to compare them to your three year old who is convinced that you believe that they didn't eat the Freddo because they've done their bestest wide eyed "Nooo, I fink a bigger boy must've eaten it" gambit, whilst staring, eyebrow raised, at their chocolate smeared face.

FloralBunting · 31/01/2019 00:13

Tru dat.

Meh. I feel shit now, I've depressed myself and I've exposed my foolish childhood misconceptions that I managed to carry into my forties.

I'm going to make a hot water bottle, it's fecking freezing.

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