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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A reminder: What we did was brilliant. Is brilliant.

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lisamuggeridge · 28/01/2019 13:46

What we did was amazing. We pulled the GUardian, Parliament, the House of Lords, the media, out of a position they were determined to have, we changed the debate, we showed women were a political force, we acted, all over the country we acted. In different ways. We were bound by the GRA review and as soon as that was done it was evident that power relations had recreated within a social movement. Yes some people by reflex did things that they would always have done. Now we get to relearn and renegotiate power relations by saying we dont play the way media tribalists did. Whatever fall outs there have been were always going to hapen but we still did that. Thats why htis board is permanently monitored by nutcases and acually the power we demonstrated is directly at the root of the toxic fallouts and is a mark of success in itself. Political spectrum reforming within this movement is alright, but it probably pays to remember how amazing what we achieved was and letting that guide what we can achieve., We changed the conversation we can keep doing that. Easily. By having the conversation we want and not bowing to social media tribalism that hides all sorts of nasties and existing political orgs. And learning in a way they cant.

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geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 21:29

I have to say, the threads I've been watching today seem to have taken a turn since Posie Parker's film went up. Are people feeling sheepish? Is that why some want a new thread started to discuss the footage, so it's not apparent a few people are going to have to do complete about turns on their positions now Posie Parker seems to have proved herself right?

I really don't understand the OP here. I saw some pretty awful stuff about Posie Parker on the OP's own platforms including the publishing of a private conversation which I would have thought would be condemned being as someone on these boards was told off for simply reproducing a tweet.

R0wantrees · 28/01/2019 21:43

There seems to be a pattern here of someone declaring they're leaving a platform or social media altogether and promptly coming straight back on again

There's also a pattern of people arriving on the board and attempting to smear women.
Its been especially busy in the last week or so.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/01/2019 21:45

And it's worked so well that the board is in total chaos.

Or not.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/01/2019 21:48

gordon fucking bennet

has any new joiner got anything to say that isn't about bad mouthing another woman?

anyone??

feministfairy · 28/01/2019 21:48

Agreed Rowan. Long self serving posts trying to trash another woman's reputation. But then we knew this would happen and, at such an important time, some will try to silence women.But, as the lengthy threads from over the weekend evidenced - women on here weren't having it.
We see them.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 28/01/2019 21:53

We see them.
Easy to spot.
But very sneaky though, they're getting dressed up in camouflage gear with green facepaint and helmet trying to go undercover at a James bond style wine bar.

geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 21:53

Well, like I said, it seems to be you're only allowed to comment if you're part of the club and saying things the club likes to hear. Isn't this ad hom-ing? Pointing out significant discrepancies in someone's position isn't smearing, not if it's truthful. And people only need to look at the blogs and videos to see the truth. I mean, pretty much everyone was attacked over Christmas. Relentlessly. There was one blog that said action was being taken as a result. So is everyone on here going to just ignore that? Can you tell me where I'm smearing anyone as opposed to observing what is true, R0wantrees? I mean, if I've got it wrong and I've been looking at the wrong blog site and Youtube channel, please tell me and I'll apologise. If not, maybe stick to that discrepancy instead of attacking me. This thread just doesn't seem to make sense in the context of the OP's wider output.

lisamuggeridge · 28/01/2019 21:55

How many user names? I wrote a post about sock puppets. They are quite interesting, in a lot of ways. lisamuggeridge.wordpress.com/2019/01/28/sock-puppets/
Its a window straight into disorder. They cant see owt but their own identity and shame and go round and round. I cant imagine going to that much effort but hey ho. We are all different.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/01/2019 21:57

I mean aside from being incredibly rude, joining up without bothering to read the room, without understanding that in general we're not interested in partisan divisions here, is just really, really boring.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 21:58

I have to say, the threads I've been watching today seem to have taken a turn since Posie Parker's film went up.

Actually I think you'll find that most women came down in favor of supporting both Posie and Jean, and feeling sad that they had clashed with each other. Which is a thing that happens and not a sign that the cunning plan to divide and conquer is working.

Hope that helps.

geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 22:00

It seems strange that there is so much protection on here against the badmouthing of the OP when she seems to have done so very much of it herself and when she seems to have returned to MN because of someone else badmouthing a woman. Are women given free passes if Mumsnetters like them? Lots has been written about the OP's smearing of other women's reputations - including Posie Parker's. I believe action has been taken as a result by at least one woman although I'll retract that if I'm wrong. But I did get it from the OP herself. Unless I misread it in which case I apologise.

Is it a deliberate tactic to gang up and attack newcomers in order to protect sacred cows and distract from what they're actually saying? Seems a bit sixth-form, really, doesn't it? Everyone on these two threads today who has said something against Jean Hatchet and Lisa Muggeridge - two women who have printed some really awful things about other women - has been attacked. Noone has attempted to engage with their points and surely if the posters were wrong it would be easy to take apart their arguments, not their posting history.

feministfairy · 28/01/2019 22:02

Anyone who suddenly pops up on a board anywhere determined to trash someone's reputation evidently has an agenda. I have no idea what your motivation is but your desperate attempts to smear women are obvious.
Not interested.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/01/2019 22:04

no one is ganging up on you geeewhizz

individuals are simply finding your posting style, annoying, boring and/or rude

if you have interesting things to say about feminism (or cheesecake), then welcome!

if all you can do is bad mouth women then whinge people tell you how tiresome you're being, this may not be a place you'll enjoy posting on

Coyoacan · 28/01/2019 22:04

For the record, I love Lisa M., Posie P. and Jean H. They are not my leaders, they and nearly everyone on this board are my teachers. You have all pulled together brilliantly.

And I can't be pissed getting my knickers in a twist about he said/she said stuff.

RaininSummer · 28/01/2019 22:05

Well said Lisa. Women are powerful and it has been wonderful to see all the groups and pockets of resistance springing up. I have some amazing women in the past year.

geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 22:06

They didn't clash with each other, though, did they, AngryAttackKittens. So far this has been an entirely one-sided attack undertaken while the other party was in the air and then busy working on behalf of women giving the original attack a week to gain ground and marshal its footsoldiers. That doesn't seem very fair to me. Why not do it before they went or, even better, wait til after they get back? As has been repeated everywhere, it's not like any explanations had to be made because noone knew JH was going anyway.

The divide and conquer came from that strategy, not from men or invisible forces. It seemed deliberate to me. A whole week to rally troops while the other party is working hard and now also having to deal with her work being jeopardised by claims that weren't even true. Posie Parker survived this attack by other women last year. For the rest of her campaign now she is going to be written off as a far right fascist. On top of everything that's been done to her by the other side that seems particularly spiteful.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 22:08

Attempts to bait me are a waste of time, just so you know.

lisamuggeridge · 28/01/2019 22:08

''Is it a deliberate tactic to gang up and attack newcomers in order to protect sacred cows and distract from what they're actually saying? Seems a bit sixth-form, really, doesn't it? Everyone on these two threads today who has said something against Jean Hatchet and Lisa Muggeridge - two women who have printed some really awful things about other women - has been attacked. Noone has attempted to engage with their points and surely if the posters were wrong it would be easy to take apart their arguments, not their posting history.''

lololololololol
Fucking fuck. QED really does apply with this. You do know we all know how to read this? We actually already know accusations are admissions? Do you have anything about cheesecake or ice cream?

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geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 22:08

I read the room, BernardBlacksWineIcelolly. I'm sorry you seem to feel only if I agree with the room do I have the right to speak.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 22:09

It's a bit cold for ice cream, but I'd be up for some chocolate cheesecake. Also had a green tea one a few months ago that was quite nice.

geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 22:10

Yes, Lisa, I am familiar with your MO. For one who posts so very, very much about narcissism it has always seemed ironic to me that you keep repeating accusations are admissions.

feministfairy · 28/01/2019 22:11

It evidently is time for a late night snack. What's the consensus about the best midnight treat?

geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 22:11

If I'd realised there was so much gaslighting going on in here I'd have taken Charles Boyer as my user name.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/01/2019 22:11

Depends, have we been drinking before this treat is consumed?

geeewhizz · 28/01/2019 22:12

I'm surprised anyone still has any appetite after the feasting that's been going on in here over the past two days.