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Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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SugarPlumFairy99 · 25/01/2019 14:38

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

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ClosdesMouches · 31/01/2019 12:16

Appreciated by me too, thank you R0.

Fallingirl · 11/02/2019 02:43

Venice Allan has posted a “Dear Jean” post on her Facebook wall. It is very critical of Jean.

The post is public, but I am not sure of etiquette around sharing people’s Facebook posts elsewhere, so pop over and read it if you are interested.

On the one hand it is illuminating, but on the other I can’t help feeling it (re)opens infighting. Nontheless, I think its safe to Venice is hurt and angry and, it seems, justifiably so.

charlestonchaplin · 11/02/2019 04:42

Who needs TRAs to bring down the gender-critical movement? We're doing it ourselves! Both those in the public eye and those who like to have a good old gossip on t'internet.

It is clear some are not particularly gender-critical. They have no clear goals that are more important than pettiness and infighting. They would be quite happy to spend the next 20 years waging online war with TRAs (and coming back to Mumsnet to mock them) whilst the threat of self-ID hangs over our heads. It gives them a purpose! I just hope those who actually want to achieve something concrete win out.

plattercake · 11/02/2019 05:22

Doesn't the key to success lie in women resolutely focussing on our biology that unites us rather than the politics that divides us?

Womanhood and femaleness is not removed or gained or deserved by what anybody thinks or does, 'good or bad', left or right; that is the point.

I'm going to support all women to say that woman=adult human female, even if there are other disagreements.

Iused2BanOptimist · 11/02/2019 06:40

I agree Plattercake, perfectly put.

Connieston · 11/02/2019 07:39

Crikey that FB post is harsh. What does it hope to achieve? They didn't like Jean very much (fair enough personalities clash) but to actually think she's a saboteur? Really? Intentionally saboteuring? I just read Jeans blog as Jean realising she wasn't really part of the group (which Venice makes clear is the case) and that morally she doesn't think any connection with the right is ... Well right. TRAs will leap on owt to stir things up. It doesn't mean people should remain mute about their feelings or opinions. The longer this goes on less well it reflects on everybody concerned. The large audience for all the women involved on social media seems to be fanning the flames. Each parry results in a pile on.

Flippin · 11/02/2019 07:48

Was Jean’s blogpost linked in OP removed?

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 08:05

I think that post from Venice is pretty cogent.

It is very sad it's all come to this. Jean's blog sounded a fragmentary recollection of feelings and impressions and quite confused in comparison.

I think JH seems quite vulnerable. What a shame she shafted Standing For Women and WoLF like that, but, you know pretty standard stuff. It's a pain having to fight against patriarchy when half of your soldiers are walking wounded, but that's the way it is.

drradfem · 11/02/2019 09:33

Sorry if you think it's harsh, I felt the need to explain my side of it so people can make their own minds up. I wouldn't have written it if the effects of her blog were not still so current. See Rosa Freedman's latest tweets.

NightmareDaemon · 11/02/2019 09:41

I think it was written to deflect from Posie’s pics with the anti-semite and Holocaust denier, it’s damage control and reeks of bitterness.

drradfem · 11/02/2019 09:45

Reeks of bitterness?! Cheers

WhatHaveYou · 11/02/2019 09:50

I felt the need to explain my side of it so people can make their own minds up.

Can you please post the text here?

LangCleg · 11/02/2019 09:54

Hello Venice! Good to see you! Current hostilities aside - I am Switzerland, or trying my best to be, anyway - I hope you're well. Thanks for all you do for women and girls from me, as ever.

LangCleg · 11/02/2019 09:54

It's a pain having to fight against patriarchy when half of your soldiers are walking wounded, but that's the way it is.

This.

drradfem · 11/02/2019 10:00

Dear Jean

I call you Jean now, even though I know that’s not your real name. Although you told me your name, I don’t believe you ever showed your true self to me in the thousands of messages we exchanged on WhatsApp, or the time we met IRL, so I will stick with your fake name.

Ever since you dropped that blog, I have been thinking about writing to you but I couldn’t see what it could achieve because I had no intention of reconciliation. I can never forgive you for deliberately publishing that while we were taking off on a flight that you were supposed to be on, even tweeting it out, ‘Why I’m not on a plane with Posie Parker.’

Yet the effects of your public outpouring of half truths and betrayal are still being felt online and in real life groups of women. Did you realise that it would make such a big impact? Did you consider the Resisters action, that you knew was being planned across the UK and Ireland, would be thrown into chaos? That your false accusations about Posie would convince many women to pull out, meaning that the media impact would be reduced and the fundraising efforts of Standing For Women would be wasted? Did you intend to completely overshadow the protest and events we had organised in DC?

I like to think that you foolishly didn’t consider how trans activists would seize upon it to falsely ‘prove’ how feminists are being funded by right wing organisations and how other feminists who already dislike and disapprove of Posie, Julia and I would delight in its confirmation of their low opinion of us and our work. Other women have told me that they believe that was your malicious intention from the beginning. I honestly don’t know.

You told me how you were a bit of a Lone Ranger in feminism and how you had been trashed by other women in the past. I believed you without question because the same has happened to me. You said you had my back, and Posie’s back, against the women that did that to us. I see they are the very same women that you are now retweeting and have become so chummy with on twitter.

In the blog itself, you actually say that you like and admire me. If that were true, why on earth would you have said all that about Posie and Kara and our trip that we had all collectively worked so hard on? Nobody even knew that you were planning to come or expected any kind of statement from you. I had also not not said publicly that I was going but I never got the chance to announce it myself because by the time we landed everyone was already criticising us all for being there.

You know full well that the event at the Heritage Foundation was not organised by us in any way. We were just invited to attend and you were the first of us to sign up! You also knew that event was the only right wing element of the entire week, yet you still allude to meetings, plural, in your blog: ‘I was in a difficult position and my partner suggested I could go on the trip and just stay out of the right wing meetings and plans I didn't agree with.’

All the way through it, you deliberately mislead readers into making untrue assumptions about us. The part about Posie’s attitude to Tommy Robinson is especially shameless, since anyone can listen to the Feminist Current podcast and hear what she actually said but the rest is much more duplicitous because only we know the truth. You know it and yet chose to twist it.

Why did you do it? That’s what everyone wants to know. The idea of you making such a fuss about right wing links doesn’t sit right with anyone who knows you. You stood on an austerity ticket to be a Conservative councillor yourself (although you never actually admitted that to us until you were doxxed by a trans activist). The only explanation that I have is that Posie never gave you enough love. The more you told her that you stood up for her, supported her and sent her adoring messages, the more she recoiled from you and you felt that. You messaged her, asking why she was cold-shouldering you, and she didn’t know what to say because you were right.

You were also correct in saying that you invited yourself on the trip, so I don’t know why you thought you would be able to control what we would do, who we would work with and where we would stay once we were there. Kara and the others at WoLF are amazing and inspiring feminist women and I’m angry about how you have smeared them.

You wrote that you were ‘left out of all the decision making’ yet it was your choice not to join in any of the conference calls or come up with ideas of actions and events. You hardly ever commented in our group and when you did they were mainly negative comments, so I’m not surprised that nobody responded as you wished. Despite that, the generous American women still offered to help you find a bike so you could do one of your rides for murdered women over there.

Honestly, I never wanted you to come with us, not because I didn’t like you but because of the issue of your health insurance. After publicly announcing your diagnosis in August, I was extremely worried that you could not be covered for this trip and would put yourself at huge financial risk.

As you well know, doing public actions against trans activists puts women in line for huge amounts of criticism and even physical danger. For all your talk of centring and supporting women, you put three women who were supposed to be your friends right in the middle of a dangerous, malicious controversy. Your talk of being silenced is laughable. If you had any decent intentions of writing about your objections, you would have at least waited for us to do the things in Washington that weekend, the protests outside the social media companies and our panel talk at the library, that you professed to support.

Now I am hearing about how you have a long history of this behaviour. So I am writing this publicly so other women can understand how personally betrayed I am and to protect themselves from you.

Sincerely

Venice

drradfem · 11/02/2019 10:00

Hi LangCleg!

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 10:01

I didn't think it reeks of bitterness. It hadn't occurred to me that the timing suggests a link with Rosa Freedman's forays into the weird world of paranoia and disproportion, but it makes sense and I think drradfem is admitting as much.

I honestly thought this would all blow over- JH would say her bit, people would say cheers for taking a stand where you see fit, but I am going to make up my own mind, and we'd all be able to move on.

I thought it was very strange that other feminists turned up to stick the boot into Posie and VA & JL in a way that seemed they were almost deliberately trying to scupper some really important work. It was strange and disappointing, but hey ho, they are free to do it and have it on their own consciences.

What I have found truly bizarre is that it hasn't stopped and good sense has not prevailed. Have some TRAs managed to get right under the skin of some feminists, attach eyelets to their skeletons, and are now effectively pulling their strings? Confused

On twitter it really hasn't stopped. It needs to stop. I think it is quite understandable that VA is shouldering the burden of sticking up for Posie because it is needed right now. Everything Posie is doing is being seized upon and twisted. The matter did not just die down or sort itself out. Something needs to be done.

drradfem · 11/02/2019 10:04

I actually started writing it before the Rosa tweets but was deciding whether or not I should post when that happened and that gave me even more reason to do it.

Trousering · 11/02/2019 10:05

It's well said Venice. It was a huge shit dump on you all, and to acheive what, to claim moral superiority over mothers of ROGD children desparate to get US politicians to listen? Does Jean not want US politicians to hear this message? Or only if the people speaking are pre approaved by her?

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 10:09

That drradfem I can totally see how that would happen. Your post actually comes across as very painfully true - so it's unsurprising that you'd feel the need to write it but need circumstances to give you a nudge to actually publish it - because I don't think you get kicks out of delivering painful truths.

BettyDuMonde · 11/02/2019 10:10

Well, if this doesn’t prove that GC feminists on on the left, nothing will!

I’ve always said that ten lefties in one room = 11 different opinions. This is why the U.K. right is more successful - they put aside their differences and work for the common goal of fucking over ordinary people for profit!

That said, I would much rather be on the side where differing opinions can be aired (which used to be the left but since all this TRA stuff took hold I am no longer so sure).

I don’t know any of the higher profile women in this battle for sex based rights personally, but I appreciate all of them, and I don’t need for them to like each other.

Dworkin (and Bunbury!) FTW.

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 10:10

Thanks drradfem - not 'thats' Confused autocorrect!

WhatHaveYou · 11/02/2019 10:12

Thank you for sharing the text.

I am Switzerland.

BettyDuMonde · 11/02/2019 10:23

(My last post was a cross post, btw - meant as a general comment, not in reference to Venice’s post specifically, which I only read afterwards)

I don’t think Venice’s post ‘reeks of bitterness’, more ‘whiffs faintly of disappointment’.

Which is fair enough. As is a right of reply.

Now, all hands on deck as the Hayden v Scottow story blows up worldwide?

Jeanhatchet · 11/02/2019 10:27

I won't be responding to it. I know who I am and I know what happened. People who know me and we're worried about me and my work for women are very proud I stepped aside.

Jean x