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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jean Hatchet, new blog post

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SugarPlumFairy99 · 25/01/2019 14:38

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-up-for-women.html

This blog post from Jean is eye-opening. Working alongside anti-abortion, hard right groups undermines decades of feminism.

Shame on Posie. I agree with Jean, I will also be sitting down for women.

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Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 15:53

Course he is. That’s the problem with this public sharing of a small disagreement.

QuietContraryMary · 25/01/2019 15:57

This seems to be another thread about Posie Parker, not sure why you have entitled it 'Jean Hatchet'

QuietContraryMary · 25/01/2019 16:02

Although the specific bullet points might be slightly different, the same arguments have been made, repeatedly, by certain people on Twitter about certain women, including, but not limited to, Posie.

2ndWaveFeminist · 25/01/2019 16:02

We're never going to agree on every point and tactic and nor should we feel we have to. I admire Posies ability to draw attention to the problem, that's been useful and she appeals to a particular demographic. The billboards and tee shirts have been an excellent way to make a point.

That said I abhor Tommy Robinson and everything he stands for. Labour councils helped create him by being so anxious to not investigate concerns about Islamic gangs and enforcing #nodebate (Labour don't learn do they). If I'm going to listen to anyone on that subject it will be Nazir Afzal who was the chief prosecutor in those cases and has something valid to say about how Tommy Robinson nearly derailed their cases. If she comes out in support of him I won't be sending anymore money to Standing for Women.

If we pretend we're a homogeneous group who agree on everything it will be easier for activists to exploit perceived rifts. Personally I'd rather say 'carry on' to Posie and put the majority of my personal support in with A Women's Place at present. I have a particular fondness for Jean and her unwavering support for female victims of sexual violence, she is principled and passionate and her blog post demonstrates that. He various different groupings need to not tear down others.

None of us are perfect and we shouldn't be expecting that of any of the women who have put themselves forward to be a public face. E can decide if those imperfections are enough to stop us supporting them.

faintlyridiculous · 25/01/2019 16:09

He various different groupings need to not tear down others.

Isn’t that what has been done here? Someone has put out a blog post giving one side of a story at a time when the person they’re tearing down isn’t able to respond. Posie is flying to the states today. She won’t be reading this and able to respond should she want to.

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 16:10

None of us are perfect and we shouldn't be expecting that of any of the women who have put themselves forward to be a public face. We can decide if those imperfections are enough to stop us supporting them

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 16:11

faintlyridiculous

Yeah I tend to agree and I now think the blog post is pretty poor form.

OrchidInTheSun · 25/01/2019 16:15

At times like this, we need to remember our Dworkin

Jean Hatchet, new blog post
terryleather · 25/01/2019 16:15

Very pertinent Orchid

GrinitchSpinach · 25/01/2019 16:18

Seconded!

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 16:18

Perfect!!

JellySlice · 25/01/2019 16:19

It's only divisive if we allow it to be. Here are two strong, forthright women in the public eye, both standing (or sitting!) for women, both doing amazing work to their own high standards.

We do not believe in RightThink. Why should we expect either of them to? We are not a homogeneous body. There is room for different approaches.

jamrollyolly · 25/01/2019 16:20

There was a thread last week concerning who we would vote for in a general election to put forward GC issues. I looked up my local Cons MP ( who has a very safe seat). As a labour voter I'm considering voting for him despite his abhorrent voting record and views on just about everything else. It seems the hard choices that Jean and Posie are facing are the same as those we will all face.

GrinitchSpinach · 25/01/2019 16:20

We do not believe in RightThink. Why should we expect either of them to? We are not a homogeneous body. There is room for different approaches.

Agreed, Jelly.

BeUpStanding · 25/01/2019 16:31

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Ereshkigal · 25/01/2019 16:33

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

THIS.

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 16:35

It seems the hard choices that Jean and Posie are facing are the same as those we will all face.

Absolutely. I didn’t vote last time because I didn’t know who to vote for. I’ve always been left, Greens, Lib Dem’s and very occasionally Labour. I cannot vote for them now. I can’t bring myself to vote Tory ( miners granddaughter )... it’s very hard to get stuff done on our own so we all make decisions and do our best in really difficult circumstances.

Harrop: you can tweet and laugh and mock us all you like. You’re smallfry and nothing we haven’t seen a million times before from men far scarier and far more powerful, than little old misogynist you. If you think this is a sign of weakening of our movement, you’d be very much mistaken. We will only get stronger.

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 16:36

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Yes yes yes. I want to see a thousand comments repeating this, so those TRA’s get our message.

happydappy2 · 25/01/2019 16:39

Enlightening to see how closely Dr Haddock monitors everything mentioned on here......a web forum for Mothers......makes him look like a bit of a loser

LangCleg · 25/01/2019 16:40

The Venn diagram of politics is never easy.

I'll support any woman in areas of agreement even if we are in disagreement on others. I fully support both Jean in her work on VAWG and Posie in her work on free speech and both for what they have achieved in exposing the dangers of extremist genderism.

I won't be adjudicating on disagreements between women on the best tactics, which temporary alliances are acceptable and which aren't, or personal disputes.

I hope entrenched factionalism doesn't break out.

And that's pretty much that.

Sarahconnor1 · 25/01/2019 16:41

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Again, this.

LangCleg · 25/01/2019 16:43

And I couldn't give a shit what wazzocks on Twatter say.

Oxytocindeficient · 25/01/2019 16:52

Enlightening to see how closely Dr Haddock monitors everything mentioned on here......a web forum for Mothers......makes him look like a bit of a loser

I think creepy harassing predator is probably more accurate. What kind of man closely monitors a mother’s/women’s forum? A stalker? A misogynist? An abusive and dangerous Neanderthal that wants to censor our very thoughts? He is all of these things.

Clearly something he is not right now, working. There’s no way busy doctors have as much time as he does to monitor and harass so many women all over the internet.

PencilsInSpace · 25/01/2019 16:54

I stand for Jean, for Posie, and for ALL women who are fighting for our rights. Right wing, left wing, religious, atheist, rich, poor... I don't care. We stand together.

Yup.

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feministfairy · 25/01/2019 16:56

Women will argue and debate our differences out in the open while the TRAs police each and every challenging thought or statemeent. They usually use threats, violence, intimidation, rage, doxxing and a range of other bullying methods to enforce their wishes. They shut down thought and free speech while women explore it and the implications. Such a massive difference.

One is an oppressive approach and one part of a healthy democratic society.