School girls gaslit en masse after encountering 'naked man' in swimming pool shower

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www.kesq.com/news/female-water-polo-players-confronted-by-naked-man-at-palm-springs-swim-center/987276858

The girls found a naked man in the women's shower, which they objected to, describing him as a 'predator'.

The police investigated and said that actually, sorry girls, he's not a man, she's a woman, so STFU, basically.

eu.desertsun.com/story/news/2019/01/24/pool-getting-unisex-shower-formal-policy-after-teens-encounter-trans-woman/2670287002/

It does beg the question of what is the appropriate response when a girl finds a naked man in the changing room, as there doesn't seem to be any possible way to distinguish a 'naked man' from a 'transwoman', nor indeed whether it is safe to be around that person's penis (common sense and practice for basically the entire world's population except those gaslit by TRAs says 'no')

@OldCrone @Mummyoflittledragon the girls
Sports team event is December 2018 in Palm Springs, no charges were laid as the police spoke to the person and said they were transitioning. The nypost mentions an incident in Dec 2018 in West Hollywood park, a couple of hours away from Palm Springs,?Where ’Merager claims to identify as female so he can access women’s locker rooms and showers,” reads an internal flyer by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department that was sent to law enforcement departments in southern California in late 2018.’ If they were sharing that info in 2018 a 2019 article wouldn’t state police said all good, and the locations are quite different. I am not trying to be contrary but I think it’s important in these discussions to have facts and unless I have completely missed something this link is beyond tenuous and boils down to ‘2 similar things happened in Dec 2018 in the same state’

Here is a mad thought. You don't have to be naked to shower. He could have kept his costume on.

Well, that’s interesting. The argument sometimes goes like this:

Flasher is not prosecuted: that was just an innocent transwoman, bigots!

Flasher is prosecuted: that was a cis male pervert and he was prosecuted as he should be, what are you fussing about?

But this seems to be clear evidence of someone using the “innocent transwoman” defence to get away with exposing himself to female children on multiple occasions, eventually getting arrested when he pushed his luck.

“Merager advised he was only showering and did not masturbate or touch himself inappropriately,” reads the police report. “He said that he would defend himself if he is threatened. He said he needs to swim to do his physical therapy.”

The NY Post article quotes the police report directly with the Wi Spa flasher’s unusual surname. They wouldn’t have invented that quote. (I don't think even the US Guardian office would do that!)

timeisnotaline if you read down to the bottom of the NY post article you get to the Palm Springs report.

@Mummyoflittledragon

Thumbwitch Just to get this straight, do you mean the tw had a erection?

Said TW was dressed in girls' sport skirt and wrapped round a pole - couldn't tell. They didn't comment themselves on that specific point.

@Thelnebriati

But in all honesty I don't think it will go far until someone's child is assaulted/ molested physically.

But that has already happened in the UK.
It hasn't changed anything, which proves the rights and needs of women and girls don't count.

Yes, but the UK isn't as litigious as the USA is

Bu yes, you're absolutely right that it proves how little girls and women count.

@ThumbWitchesAbroad
Oh ok I wondered if euphoria was code…

no, that was genuinely what the TW posted.

@ThumbWitchesAbroad

no, that was genuinely what the TW posted.

Are TRAs writing about “gender euphoria” in public groups now? Or was this reposted content from a trans space?

Just curious. From what I’ve seen they don’t discuss “gender euphoria” in public spaces where people “might not understand” (or, worse, might understand perfectly.) But there’s always someone pushing the boundaries.

It was a Twitter post, I believe.

I'm seriously trying very hard to find it but can't remember which bloody group I saw it in. Still looking!

[quote timeisnotaline]**@OldCrone* @Mummyoflittledragon* the girls
Sports team event is December 2018 in Palm Springs, no charges were laid as the police spoke to the person and said they were transitioning. The nypost mentions an incident in Dec 2018 in West Hollywood park, a couple of hours away from Palm Springs,?Where ’Merager claims to identify as female so he can access women’s locker rooms and showers,” reads an internal flyer by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department that was sent to law enforcement departments in southern California in late 2018.’ If they were sharing that info in 2018 a 2019 article wouldn’t state police said all good, and the locations are quite different. I am not trying to be contrary but I think it’s important in these discussions to have facts and unless I have completely missed something this link is beyond tenuous and boils down to ‘2 similar things happened in Dec 2018 in the same state’[/quote]
Did you read the whole article @timeisnotaline? Near the end it says:

Then on Dec. 26, 2018, police responded to the Palm Springs Swim Center after the coaches of a high school girls’ water polo team called police. According to the incident report, one of the coaches said he aggressively confronted Merager after the school girls alerted him that Merager had exposed their penis in the women’s changing room.

“Merager advised he was only showering and did not masturbate or touch himself inappropriately,” reads the police report. “He said that he would defend himself if he is threatened. He said he needs to swim to do his physical therapy.”

Dec 26 2018 is the date of the incident in the OP. It's unlikely that there were two similar incidents on the same day at the same place, so this seems to be referring to the same incident.

The West Hollywood incident seems to be more recent (the article doesn't say it was in 2018), since he was due in court on Sept 8 of this year on charges of indecent exposure, so that's unlikely to be about an incident from 2018 (for which it seems he was not charged). He's a serial offender. He has exposed himself on a number of occasions in a number of places.

@GrinitchSpinach

It's about dominance. Marking territory. Knowing that they can walk around with their tackle out in front of women and girls, knowing that it makes them uncomfortable and afraid must be like a drug to them. We'll see these stories more and more, along with virtue signallers saying how they showered next to a TW and it was like a super-awesome experience.

Spot on, CatholicDadof2.

Yes.

Oh, gosh, not again.

I’m so confused now - this nypost article? I don’t see any of that! I just clicked the link above. It definitely says west hollywood park was 2018, See pic
nypost.com/2021/09/02/charges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-wi-spa-casecharges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-notorious-wi-spa-incident/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1e_ws81-vaALSlUfdhuYlufJNoLzR31q-WII_WCUISsfR5Rnvx-21RtFc
I must be going blind, I’ll reread it later.

The first article in the OP seems to have been taken down?

What caused me fury is that WE, as females, have to leave if we see a penis-haver in our previously safe space. Why should we move?!! But...we have to. Because they wont. Because they will gleefully accuse us of being phobic. Our whole lives get cancelled. They LOVE this power over females....as they, men, have done, for all of history. But this has been the case for all of history. Females have ALWAYS had to make way for males.

@timeisnotaline

I’m so confused now - this nypost article? I don’t see any of that! I just clicked the link above. It definitely says west hollywood park was 2018, See pic nypost.com/2021/09/02/charges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-wi-spa-casecharges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-notorious-wi-spa-incident/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1e_ws81-vaALSlUfdhuYlufJNoLzR31q-WII_WCUISsfR5Rnvx-21RtFc I must be going blind, I’ll reread it later.

No, this one, which I posted this morning.

nypost.com/2021/09/17/wi-spa-suspect-still-at-large-has-history-of-indecent-exposure-and-masturbation/

You seem to be having difficulty reading my posts, and Mummyoflittledragon's.

The Norway case linked earlier in the thread is interesting. In which a natal woman was accused of harassing a trans woman when the former complained to the latter for showering naked at the gym.

It showed how confusing the issue is legally. I thought these statements were interesting:

"Law regarding legal sex does not give solutions to practical challenges for people who have changed legal sex. Use of changing rooms for persons who have changed legal sex is a question which has not been given a legal clarification. In this context the tribunal’s majority is of the opinion that the unclear legal situation causes uncertainty.

The remark that “she is provoked by seeing a penis in the changing room” can be interpreted as being directed at B and not the changing room set up. It’s a remark that could be considered offensive. The tribunal’s majority still find they must consider the situation the remark was made under, where the parties where in an intimate situation in a changing room. As long as the question regarding changing rooms for transpeople is unclear, transpeople must expect reactions by using sex segregated changing rooms. Even though it can be uncomfortable for transpeople to be subject to questions about what they’re doing in the women’s changing room, this does not qualify as harassment."

Hi all - just a heads up that this thread was started in 2019 and some of the early links no longer work.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks, BeckyMumsnet.

Sorry if I caused confusion. I thought about starting a new thead, but wanted to be clear about the link to the old incident. It’s definitely looking like this individual has a history of using women’s spaces where nudity is either expected (as in the pool locker room) or required (like at wispa). I will be completely shocked if the charges actually stick in the wispa case. The individual is not wrong. The California law allows access by self-declaration. If I was the defense attorney I might be looking into whether or not there are any provisions in California law that specifically mention the arousal state of genitals in spaces like locker rooms. I would be really surprised if there are.

I know this is an old thread, but it's interesting that it's the same person.

I also think Merager has a chance of getting away with it.