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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans activist shares their activism tactics

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OrangeJuicy · 23/01/2019 00:50

Emma G who declared war on Graham Linehan, and seemingly compared him to US neo-Nazis

See here:
mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1087617063277993984

"Here's a thing I want
@Glinner
to know:

Graham, I am well-known for devastating the neo-Nazi movement in the US. I've helped swing US Military policy. People have gone to jail. They're afraid of me. They've kept me busy, but not for much longer.

And you're in my sights next."

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087297309388562432

Has now written a thread on their activism tactics.

Which sound... familiar. I can understand why Graham may want the thread reported for encouraging harassment, but maybe it should stay up to show everyone their tactics. Let's look and learn.

Thread:

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087785050857504769

archive.fo/eqCSq
(I think I've archived the whole thread there ?)

Since we're apparently being called Nazis, fascist, alt-right etc... Lol.
Or "other movements" .
Also, we have excellent reasoning.
Anyway, these are the tweets, pretty revealing:

  1. "There’s a playbook for undermining movements that works particularly well when those movements aren’t rooted in reason but in exclusion and mutuality. This playbook works for fascist groups, but also works for reflexive patriotism, hateful religiosity, and other movements."
  1. "The important thing to remember is you cannot debate in good faith with someone who will not debate in good faith. You cannot win on those terms."
  1. "Any debate is for the benefit of the unaffiliated external observer, so you have to frame the matter in the appropriate context, and that context should be tailored to the virtue centers of the audience. Exclusion and bigotry vs inclusion and civil rights."
  1. "Even still, you’re really not in a high-efficiency activity here. You’re far better off doing direct outreach."

  2. "Beyond that, there are a number of tools at your disposal. First, you recognize that their sense of identity is unity-focused, so your goal should be to sow distrust among the in-group to factionalize and divide."

  3. "Identifying and pressuring existing stress fractures is key. Frame the internal divisions and try to make them appear even larger."

  4. "Undermining trust also can take direct forms. I’ll leave it to your imagination here."

  5. "Next, remove the pillars of support of the movement. This means engaging with the things they rely on most heavily. This is hard, because this feels like an uphill battle."

  6. "If they rely on the media, you find inroads with the media. If they rely on the state, you (carefully and wisely) use the state. Turn their best tools against them. Undermining the trust in their foundations further exacerbates the internal divisions."

  7. "Then, shape their message as much ado about nothing. Seal off newcomers joining them because they look like zealots waging a very serious war against an absurd opponent."

  8. "While you do this, deny all forms of comfort. Undermine the sense of security in the spaces they feel most comfortable. Again, it’s left to your imagination here."

  9. "Each of these things will come with a pushback that will lead to a backlash. Don’t let that surprise you. Predict it and preempt it."

  10. "This allows you to start shaping the narrative of your choosing. Do not react. No story about your movement should come as a surprise. Preact. You should always have a response plan."

  11. "Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious."

  12. "If they think you’ve got nothing, always have something. If you have something, make them think you’ve got nothing."

  13. "This is precisely the playbook that was implemented after UTR to good success. The effects weren’t immediate but they only took about 7 months to effectively neutralize several key alt right movements and leaders."

      1. I have no idea what they're talking about ( also got no idea what UTR is/was above, I included that because "7mnths to "neutralize") so not going to copy those here.
  14. "Fascistic movements think that unification around their identity is what makes them strong, but it’s not. It makes them weak. While cringing a bit by even brining this up, this is precisely how Russia exploited American identitarianism to manipulate our democracy."

I think we can recognise some of these tactics trans activists have employed. If we had outlined what they were doing like this, we'd probably be called paranoid conspiracy theorists. Thanks Emma, for laying it all out in the open.

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donquixotedelamancha · 23/01/2019 01:14

I love this Emma G. She's hysterical.

If they think you’ve got nothing, always have something. If you have something, make them think you’ve got nothing.

Like a cross between Sun Tzu and Gordon Britass.

Just when you think there can be no more stupidity to milk, another comedy TRA arrives to cheer us all up.

Coyoacan · 23/01/2019 01:16

I don't really think those tactics would work in this context. They may have worked during the first few years. We are all affected and though we do have some outstanding leaders of opinion, new people are coming up all the time. Whereas the transgender brigade have a fashion that is quickly becoming old hat.

NotMeOhNo · 23/01/2019 01:34

It's interesting how she says don't be surprised about anything. Shows how coolly they deflect the rapists and people like Balldemort.

OrangeJuicy · 23/01/2019 02:10

Aaaand just saw this:

mobile.twitter.com/receipts4u/status/1087797364088295426

Is that an underhand threat with the gun...and threatening to go militant?

Probably a lot of stuff on this person's twitter. Seems to be another thread there directly threatening 'TERFs'.

Someone tried to be reasonable and they went off on one about Nazis
mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087410805992275968

Then
mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087452328494596098

" I’m engaging with you for one reason and one reason only: I want you to know that I am coming for your movement. And you won’t know where, how, or when, but I will come for it and leave it and everyone in it in ruins.

Much like what I am doing to the Nazis right now, the only ones I leave untouched will be simply so I can leave some to tell the story. Living in constant fear of the other shoe dropping"

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087452545671458828

I duno what they think they'll uncover that we're supposed to be going to jail for...
"Antifascists ran an infiltration operation that far outclassed the FBI’s own capabilities in human, signals, and open source intelligence, taking on a movement with 40+ years experience of dodging the Feds.

People are now in jail for the information uncovered."

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087453593345683459

"So trust me, when I turn that laser cannon to your bigoted bag of elephant bike you call a movement, I assure you the consequences will be devastating. You haven’t the slightest clue." Hmm

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087453862141874183

Duno what else they got on there. I haven't looked, don't want to/can't face looking through their sht tbh.

OP posts:
DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 23/01/2019 02:22

www.washingtonpost.com/local/he-once-defended-the-poor-in-court-now-he-defends-white-supremacists/2018/07/01/0c7bfa6a-6901-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1a5aa4e84911

www.vice.com/en_au/article/mbyvjn/the-data-scientist-tracking-americas-white-supremacists-emily-gorcenski-first-vigil

Seems a shame that someone capable of doing good work is so willing to turn their “laser cannons” on women attempting to protect their rights. The threatening arrogance is such familiar male hyperbolic ego, it just makes me sigh.

KindOfAGeek · 23/01/2019 02:41

UTR is "Unite The Right"

"Emily" fancies self as high in antifa, and that everyone who disagrees is busy building concentration camps for trans folks.

Toxic masculinity.

NotBadConsidering · 23/01/2019 03:05

Emily’s twitter thread is hilarious though.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/01/2019 06:26

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deepwatersolo · 23/01/2019 06:39

5. "Beyond that, there are a number of tools at your disposal. First, you recognize that their sense of identity is unity-focused, so your goal should be to sow distrust among the in-group to factionalize and divide."

6. "Identifying and pressuring existing stress fractures is key. Frame the internal divisions and try to make them appear even larger."

Yeah, that reminds me of the denouncement of Posie Parker by some and Lisa Muggeridge's categorical 'we do not throw women under the bus' as a response. Seems like Lisa knew what she dealt with.

donquixotedelamancha · 23/01/2019 06:51

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CisMyArse · 23/01/2019 06:59

Is this person for real?
Too much Call of Duty.

DoctorTwo · 23/01/2019 07:02

Isn't this the person who said "I'm gonna doxx all of Mumsnet"? Surely we have to take that seriously? Hmm :o

CarolDanvers · 23/01/2019 07:05

Walter Mitty!

NotTerfNorCis · 23/01/2019 07:06

If anyone on our side posted a photo of a person with a rifle in the context of a load of threats and talk about self-defence, the police would be straight round. But somehow TRAs get away with it...

CallMeSirShotsFired · 23/01/2019 07:08

I mean, all of it is a really cringey fantasist's shitshow, but stuff like
"The important thing to remember is you cannot debate in good faith with someone who will not debate in good faith." - Projection much?

Isn't there a thing whereby people accuse others with the thing they are doing themselves?

(A tiny part of me feels so sorry for utter losers like this, because one day they are going to look back and curl up in extreme embarrassment at their behaviour. The rest of me wants to be there and watch that happen, mind...)

Oxytocindeficient · 23/01/2019 07:12

TRA’s get away with it because nobody is complaining to the police.

Emily seems like yet another entitled, angry and dangerous Male

Floisme · 23/01/2019 07:13

I think anyone who credits themselves for taking down the Nazis has, at the very best, an over inflated opinion of themselves, which I am probably stroking even through writing this post so I'm going to stop now.
But Flowers to Glinner if he's reading.

CosmicCanary · 23/01/2019 07:15

Thank you OP.
That twitter thread has made me laugh so hard this morning 😂😂

teawamutu · 23/01/2019 07:29

Is Emily... entirely well, would you say?

StarsAndWater · 23/01/2019 07:30

Like a cross between Sun Tzu and Gordon Britass
😂
I've blocked Emily on Twitter. Their entire Twitter feed reads like someone who is quite unstable and looking for enemies in every corner.

Bubonicpanic · 23/01/2019 07:46

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Thingybob · 23/01/2019 07:50

Is Emily... entirely well, would you say?

Living in that delusional state with that level of paranoia must be bloody awful so no I do not think she is well. I don't think GC people should be mocking her but then the TRAs shouldn't be ignoring her. They are the ones who should be urging her to seek help.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/01/2019 07:59

Oh my god that is just so over the top

And whatever happened to th element of surprise

Emma is like the villain in the bond movie who monologues the entire plan

And then writes it down...

No wait, no bond villian writes it down so there is actual evidence of their sneaky underhand plans

But the monaloguing is spot on

donquixotedelamancha · 23/01/2019 08:00

I don't think GC people should be mocking her

I don't agree- to a point. For reasons beyond my ken people like this are being elevated to positions of leadership, rather than offered help then ignored. We don't know she's ill (though we do) but the public policy implications of this kind of behaviour can no longer be dismissed.

I think gently poking holes in the nonsense, like glinner's response, is pretty healthy- more effective than engagement. I do agree that giving her too much attention is harmful.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/01/2019 08:01

Oh my lord

Emily not emma

(They are all blending into one Sad)

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