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Trans activist shares their activism tactics

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OrangeJuicy · 23/01/2019 00:50

Emma G who declared war on Graham Linehan, and seemingly compared him to US neo-Nazis

See here:
mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1087617063277993984

"Here's a thing I want
@Glinner
to know:

Graham, I am well-known for devastating the neo-Nazi movement in the US. I've helped swing US Military policy. People have gone to jail. They're afraid of me. They've kept me busy, but not for much longer.

And you're in my sights next."

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087297309388562432

Has now written a thread on their activism tactics.

Which sound... familiar. I can understand why Graham may want the thread reported for encouraging harassment, but maybe it should stay up to show everyone their tactics. Let's look and learn.

Thread:

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087785050857504769

archive.fo/eqCSq
(I think I've archived the whole thread there ?)

Since we're apparently being called Nazis, fascist, alt-right etc... Lol.
Or "other movements" .
Also, we have excellent reasoning.
Anyway, these are the tweets, pretty revealing:

  1. "There’s a playbook for undermining movements that works particularly well when those movements aren’t rooted in reason but in exclusion and mutuality. This playbook works for fascist groups, but also works for reflexive patriotism, hateful religiosity, and other movements."
  1. "The important thing to remember is you cannot debate in good faith with someone who will not debate in good faith. You cannot win on those terms."
  1. "Any debate is for the benefit of the unaffiliated external observer, so you have to frame the matter in the appropriate context, and that context should be tailored to the virtue centers of the audience. Exclusion and bigotry vs inclusion and civil rights."
  1. "Even still, you’re really not in a high-efficiency activity here. You’re far better off doing direct outreach."

  2. "Beyond that, there are a number of tools at your disposal. First, you recognize that their sense of identity is unity-focused, so your goal should be to sow distrust among the in-group to factionalize and divide."

  3. "Identifying and pressuring existing stress fractures is key. Frame the internal divisions and try to make them appear even larger."

  4. "Undermining trust also can take direct forms. I’ll leave it to your imagination here."

  5. "Next, remove the pillars of support of the movement. This means engaging with the things they rely on most heavily. This is hard, because this feels like an uphill battle."

  6. "If they rely on the media, you find inroads with the media. If they rely on the state, you (carefully and wisely) use the state. Turn their best tools against them. Undermining the trust in their foundations further exacerbates the internal divisions."

  7. "Then, shape their message as much ado about nothing. Seal off newcomers joining them because they look like zealots waging a very serious war against an absurd opponent."

  8. "While you do this, deny all forms of comfort. Undermine the sense of security in the spaces they feel most comfortable. Again, it’s left to your imagination here."

  9. "Each of these things will come with a pushback that will lead to a backlash. Don’t let that surprise you. Predict it and preempt it."

  10. "This allows you to start shaping the narrative of your choosing. Do not react. No story about your movement should come as a surprise. Preact. You should always have a response plan."

  11. "Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious."

  12. "If they think you’ve got nothing, always have something. If you have something, make them think you’ve got nothing."

  13. "This is precisely the playbook that was implemented after UTR to good success. The effects weren’t immediate but they only took about 7 months to effectively neutralize several key alt right movements and leaders."

      1. I have no idea what they're talking about ( also got no idea what UTR is/was above, I included that because "7mnths to "neutralize") so not going to copy those here.
  14. "Fascistic movements think that unification around their identity is what makes them strong, but it’s not. It makes them weak. While cringing a bit by even brining this up, this is precisely how Russia exploited American identitarianism to manipulate our democracy."

I think we can recognise some of these tactics trans activists have employed. If we had outlined what they were doing like this, we'd probably be called paranoid conspiracy theorists. Thanks Emma, for laying it all out in the open.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/01/2019 08:08

And emily needs to continue with the sterling work of chasing neo nazis

As opposed to threatening to dox women on mumsnet

andyoldlabour · 23/01/2019 08:15

Emily - an author on Teen Vogue, computer nerd, obsessed with tracking "far right" crime, Emily thinks that "TERF's" are "fascistic".

gotoams.nl/2019/speakers/809

teawamutu · 23/01/2019 08:22

Do agree glinner's response was masterful Grin

andyoldlabour · 23/01/2019 08:36

"And emily needs to continue with the sterling work of chasing neo nazis"

Well that IMO depends on what Emily calls a "neo nazi". I suspect that it refers to anyone outside their very small group of people, who dares criticize them.

UnicornFarmer · 23/01/2019 08:46

So she is bored of the far right and now wants to doxx a load of random women on a parenting site. For not wanting teen boys in the Girl Guides?

Again, given that it's entitled, homophobic, misogynist men who beat and murder and prostitute TWs she's expending an awful lot of energy threatening women in a chat forum.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 23/01/2019 08:50

"[Emily] is a seventh Dan black belt in wokewondo"

GrinGrinGrin

NotTerfNorCis · 23/01/2019 08:56

twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087976907210194944?s=19

'Emily' is going to come into 'TERF' spaces to sow discord and mistrust. Shock Watch out for gun-wielding Walter Mitty trolls.

AngryAttackKittens · 23/01/2019 09:06

Fascistic movements think that unification around their identity is what makes them strong, but it’s not. It makes them weak. While cringing a bit by even brining this up, this is precisely how Russia exploited American identitarianism to manipulate our democracy.

If someone believes that women unifying around our shared identity as women is "fascistic" then they're a raging misogynist. One whose tinfoil hat is much too tight, in this case.

calpop · 23/01/2019 09:07

Too much Call of Duty. Grin

Although, on a more serious note, Onhad a family member who behaved like this Turned out they were developing paranoid schizophrenia. Delusions of grandeur can be oart of the onset of mental illness.

R0wantrees · 23/01/2019 09:09

Interesting to see which female signposted this male transperson to Mumsnet.

Trans activist shares their activism tactics
AngryAttackKittens · 23/01/2019 09:10

When I hear “opposing the trans narrative,” what I know it means is “cleansing degeneracy.” When I hear “protecting real women” what I hear is “purging society for the master race.” They’re two slices of the same pie.

Women are a race now?

TwitterLovesMAPs · 23/01/2019 09:13

I saw that yesterday. I don’t think that person is very well.

AngryAttackKittens · 23/01/2019 09:15

I'm hearing all Emily's tweets in the voice that does American film trailers - you know, the "in a world..." bloke.

NottonightJosepheen · 23/01/2019 09:18

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/01/2019 09:19

I’m hearing all Emily's tweets in the voice that does American film trailers

Or Alan Deadicoat, voice of the balls

calpop · 23/01/2019 09:20

Silly little boys think we are all "Moms" who don't use Discord and dont play video games. Not sure they realise whatba disparate "race" women are ....

Trans activist shares their activism tactics
AngryAttackKittens · 23/01/2019 09:22

Yeah, that reminds me of the denouncement of Posie Parker by some and Lisa Muggeridge's categorical 'we do not throw women under the bus' as a response. Seems like Lisa knew what she dealt with.

This actually is a thing that's already been tried, so yeah, beware randoms turning up to point at any given GC feminist and shout "she's a witch and is made of wood!"

OwThatsGottaHurt · 23/01/2019 09:25

What was Glinner's response? I didn't see that.

CarolDanvers · 23/01/2019 09:26

“Emily” actually sounds high as a kite on something in those tweets tbh. Or at the “Come On Then!” stage of being drunk.

GeorgeFayne · 23/01/2019 09:27

OxytocinDeficient

"Emily" may, in fact, seem to be yet another entitled, angry and dangerous Male because that is exactly what Emily is.

Emily is a "non-binary transwoman" and clearly is aggressive. Emily called for a "violent general strike" if Kavanaugh was confirmed to the US Supreme Court. Just a lovely individual, really.

About this darling sister:
viewsourceconf.org/london-2017/speakers/emily-gorcenski/

This one's funny. The opposing attorney in court continued to refer to Emily's male name: www.washingtonpost.com/local/he-once-defended-the-poor-in-court-now-he-defends-white-supremacists/2018/07/01/0c7bfa6a-6901-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html?utm_term=.26d6490990e9

userschmoozer · 23/01/2019 09:27

Too ''bad at computers to even use a Discord server'' is my new go to insult.

calpop · 23/01/2019 09:35

Actually I did recently remove the Discord client from one of my computers as i was sick of listening to teenage incels. I also cba to write in python anymore. Maybe I am a Mom after all!

53rdWay · 23/01/2019 09:43

Grin we’re mummies, userschmoozer, we can’t possibly understand any modern technology that isn’t washing machines. Simultaneously we are a dangerous network of well-organised neo-fascists using the Internet to collaborate and attack. Must be all that multitasking we women are so naturally good at!

It is interesting how many male ‘feminists’ are joining right in with this “yeah, they’re the same as the far right!” idea. Even many of us who bought into some of this ideology in the first place found it hard to swallow that left-wing feminist activists had suddenly turned into neo-Nazis. (Julie Burchill and Linda Bellos are your sexist bad guys here, you say? Wait a minute, now, maybe I need to look into this more...)

But for certain ‘progressive’ blokes, if you ask “don’t you think it’s a bit strange that all these left-wing feminists have apparently become violent neo-Nazi bigots?”, they shrug and say nope. Sounds perfectly reasonable to them that women were never fully part of left-wing movements, or even real feminism, in the first place. Sounds perfectly reasonable to them that all women are merely demons in disguise, just waiting to rip off our masks.

R0wantrees · 23/01/2019 09:45

Emily is a "non-binary transwoman" and clearly is aggressive. Emily called for a "violent general strike" if Kavanaugh was confirmed to the US Supreme Court. Just a lovely individual, really.

Emily is a male transperson.

(there are a multitude of gender identities and so the description is both accurate and inclusive)

It is important to be able to identify and name male pattern abusive behaviour and violence.

calpop · 23/01/2019 09:50

I think the far right / fascist thing is just a tactic. They know that its a label that will outrage or hurt GC women who, generally, have always been left leaning socialists with a moral conscience and a predisposition to be caring. Its just a playground insult designed to hurt. Don't fall for it. Call them incels back, its just the same thing.