Trans activist shares their activism tactics

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Emma G who declared war on Graham Linehan, and seemingly compared him to US neo-Nazis

See here:
mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1087617063277993984

"Here's a thing I want
@Glinner
to know:

Graham, I am well-known for devastating the neo-Nazi movement in the US. I've helped swing US Military policy. People have gone to jail. They're afraid of me. They've kept me busy, but not for much longer.

And you're in my sights next."

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087297309388562432

Has now written a thread on their activism tactics.

Which sound... familiar. I can understand why Graham may want the thread reported for encouraging harassment, but maybe it should stay up to show everyone their tactics. Let's look and learn.

Thread:

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087785050857504769

archive.fo/eqCSq
(I think I've archived the whole thread there ?)

Since we're apparently being called Nazis, fascist, alt-right etc... Lol.
Or "other movements" .
Also, we have excellent reasoning.
Anyway, these are the tweets, pretty revealing:

1. "There’s a playbook for undermining movements that works particularly well when those movements aren’t rooted in reason but in exclusion and mutuality. This playbook works for fascist groups, but also works for reflexive patriotism, hateful religiosity, and other movements."

2. "The important thing to remember is you cannot debate in good faith with someone who will not debate in good faith. You cannot win on those terms."

1. "Any debate is for the benefit of the unaffiliated external observer, so you have to frame the matter in the appropriate context, and that context should be tailored to the virtue centers of the audience. Exclusion and bigotry vs inclusion and civil rights."

4. "Even still, you’re really not in a high-efficiency activity here. You’re far better off doing direct outreach."

5. "Beyond that, there are a number of tools at your disposal. First, you recognize that their sense of identity is unity-focused, so your goal should be to sow distrust among the in-group to factionalize and divide."

6. "Identifying and pressuring existing stress fractures is key. Frame the internal divisions and try to make them appear even larger."

7. "Undermining trust also can take direct forms. I’ll leave it to your imagination here."

8. "Next, remove the pillars of support of the movement. This means engaging with the things they rely on most heavily. This is hard, because this feels like an uphill battle."

9. "If they rely on the media, you find inroads with the media. If they rely on the state, you (carefully and wisely) use the state. Turn their best tools against them. Undermining the trust in their foundations further exacerbates the internal divisions."

10. "Then, shape their message as much ado about nothing. Seal off newcomers joining them because they look like zealots waging a very serious war against an absurd opponent."

11. "While you do this, deny all forms of comfort. Undermine the sense of security in the spaces they feel most comfortable. Again, it’s left to your imagination here."

12. "Each of these things will come with a pushback that will lead to a backlash. Don’t let that surprise you. Predict it and preempt it."

13. "This allows you to start shaping the narrative of your choosing. Do not react. No story about your movement should come as a surprise. Preact. You should always have a response plan."

14. "Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious."

15. "If they think you’ve got nothing, always have something. If you have something, make them think you’ve got nothing."

16. "This is precisely the playbook that was implemented after UTR to good success. The effects weren’t immediate but they only took about 7 months to effectively neutralize several key alt right movements and leaders."

17. 18. 19. I have no idea what they're talking about ( also got no idea what UTR is/was above, I included that because "7mnths to "neutralize") so not going to copy those here.

18. "Fascistic movements think that unification around their identity is what makes them strong, but it’s not. It makes them weak. While cringing a bit by even brining this up, this is precisely how Russia exploited American identitarianism to manipulate our democracy."

I think we can recognise some of these tactics trans activists have employed. If we had outlined what they were doing like this, we'd probably be called paranoid conspiracy theorists. Thanks Emma, for laying it all out in the open.

Thirties according to KWF.

they talk in the same way nazis talk in their private discord

I'm assuming this is supposed to mean 'discourse', although possibly they either don't know or have re invented the meaning of the word 'discord'. As far as I'm aware, Nazis showing discord privately or otherwise, tended to end up shot, often along with wives and children, and it's a bit distasteful to put it mildly to see something that horrific thrown around for dramatic emphasis.

I highly doubt there are many still living who experienced private discourse among Nazis to know what it was like (which ones, where? Are we talking villagers? Middle management? Goering and Hess?) What was the particular style of discourse that this person in the know has identified on MN? What themes exactly? Or is this yet more lazy hyperbole and teenage style dramatics for effect?

Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious

Is this the fighting Nazis playbook or the how to be an abuser playbook?

That is word for word how you break someone down in an abusive relationship, yes. Us uppity women need to learn our place and stop making them punish us.

Also knickknack, discord is an online chat.

Thirties according to KWF.

Ok thanks.

They mean Discord, they're just not very literate. For some reason they think the MN forums, which are publicly available for anyone to view (because, we have nothing to hide, like) are just a front for our true far right TERF organisation which is run in secret on a private Discord server (even though we are too old to know what Discord is). Maybe there is a MN Discord? They obviously haven't found MNTrolls yet. Perhaps we need to introduce them to Moldies, who probably are the shadowy organisation running everything.

Has anyone said delusions of grandeur?

Oh I SEE. Thank you. Gosh they're going to be disappointed, aren't they?

Has anyone said delusions of grandeur?

More like delusions of adequacy.

I'm assuming this is supposed to mean 'discourse', although possibly they either don't know or have re invented the meaning of the word 'discord'.

I believe that it's an app the young folk use to discuss while gaming- like an instant messenger. So they are picturing us messaging each other privately about how all the messaging each other in public is going.

I must admit, I do have my own discord server but it's only other mums on it though, talking about our babies and obviously nothing of value, so I guess I'm still on the mumsnet level.

Perhaps we need to introduce them to Moldies, who probably are the shadowy organisation running everything.

Didn't you get the memo? Nobody talks about Gransnet!

EG tries to present as a 20 something waif but if you see a video of them, well, if they really in their 30s they've had a hard life...

EG tries to present as a 20 something waif but if you see a video of them, well, if they really in their 30s they've had a hard life...
EG was born in 1982 according to their Twitter bio. I've seen quite a lot of their photos - the selfies are all carefully lit, framed, posed and filtered to make EG look tiny, fey, fresh-faced and barely old enough to legally drink. As OlennasWimple says, the unposed press and video images tell a different story.
I don't know about anybody else, but I do wonder why EG tries so hard to look like a child.

I think the far right / fascist thing is just a tactic. They know that its a label that will outrage or hurt GC women who, generally, have always been left leaning socialists with a moral conscience and a predisposition to be caring. Its just a playground insult designed to hurt.

No, it is more serious and sinister than that. Since the 1930s the far left has regarded violent resistance against fascists as legitimate. That means if you class a person or a group as fascists you are saying it is legitimate to use violence against them.

No, it is more serious and sinister than that. Since the 1930s the far left has regarded violent resistance against fascists as legitimate. That means if you class a person or a group as fascists you are saying it is legitimate to use violence against them.

Helen Lewis New Statesman
20 APRIL 2018
'The madness of our gender debate, where feminists defend slapping a 60-year-old woman
It seems swivel-eyed to condemn rhetorical “attacks” and blithely ignore physical ones.'

(extract)
"You would have thought that a feminist getting punched in the face would be reasonably large news – particularly if her attacker had boasted online earlier of wanting to “fuck up” some feminists, comparing them to fascists. But the conviction of the person who attacked 60-year-old Maria MacLachlan at Speakers’ Corner last year didn’t trouble the pages of the Guardian, where I would normally expect to hear about something that veers close to being a hate crime, or the LGBT website Pink News. Why? A clue comes in the fact that MacLachlan was slapped by a 26-year-old transgender woman called Tara Wolf, who explained to the court that MacLachlan was a “TERF” – a term commonly used to stand for “trans exclusionary radical feminist”, ie one who doesn’t believe that trans women are “real” women, but which Wolf defined as a “trans exterminatory radical feminist”.

The implication was that MacLachlan, now 61, wants all transgender people dead – something that seems absolutely barking until you realise this is quite a common accusation in activist spaces. The feminist group Sisters Uncut, which has done great work protesting the closure of domestic violence services, somehow looked at the case and decided that Wolf was the real victim. It used a hashtag – #freetheshewolf – and called for a protest outside Hendon Magistrates’ Court, asking for support for a “trans woman targeted… and harassed by TERFs, transmisogynists and cops”, adding: “Attacks on trans lives will not be tolerated.”

While I have no doubt that Wolf has faced prejudice and bullying due to being trans, it seems swivel-eyed to condemn rhetorical “attacks” and blithely ignore physical ones." (continues)

The Wolf affair also demonstrates another alarming phenomenon: the left getting high on its own supply of self-righteousness. “Some feminists have a different conception of gender to me” gets smudged into “some feminists talk about me in ways that I find offensive” and on to “some feminists are basically Hitler, trying to eradicate people like me”.

Once you reach the last statement, then of course you can slap a woman and still think of yourself as a good person. She wants to kill you; a mere punch is self-defence. (I’m not exaggerating about the language. The Edinburgh branch of Action for Trans Health tweeted the day after the attack: “Punching TERFs is the same as punching Nazis. Fascism must be smashed with the greatest violence to ensure our collective liberation from it.”) (continues)

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/04/madness-our-gender-debate-where-feminists-defend-slapping-60-year-old

Rose of Dawn
'What Does Co-Opting The Trans Movement Look Like?'

'Radical far-left activists often co-opt unrelated movements to enforce their ideology on others. Here, I take a look at this phenomenon taking place in the trans community.'

I think sexism, misogyny and male-pattern abuse and attempted control are the key issues. These cross political beliefs & gender identities.

Who is this James Alex Fields person that Emily ran at with their gun pointed? As said by sexual fetishist for injecting water up arse Zinnia on twitter.

No, it is more serious and sinister than that. Since the 1930s the far left has regarded violent resistance against fascists as legitimate. That means if you class a person or a group as fascists you are saying it is legitimate to use violence against them.

Agree and ATH and other trans groups have said this about GC women.

Agree and ATH and other trans groups have said this about GC women

Yup. Why is it apparently OK to say / wear a t shirt saying "punch a terf" when it would (in most cases, anyway) not be Ok to say "punch a woman"? Because TRAs have succeed in making GC women "other" and therefore "deserving" of what they get

I suppose it will be this very nasty piece of work NotMeOhNo: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46394995.

Although Emily is so far into Walter Mitty land who can say what happened.

The appropriate response for anyone who claims you're too old to understand computers is:

Pwned, u noob.

A bit old fashioned (15+ years old now), but it's a phrase every gamer knows.

If Emily is gonna fake it, fake it back. And Discord is indeed a service meant to keep communications private. People who kill dragons and slaughter fake armies run a little paranoid.

Without going into sexism, misogyny and male-pattern abuse, I think the parallels to Stalinism are very striking (even without the suggestions that gender critical people belong in the Gulag). In the 1930s the German Communist Party proclaimed that the Social Democrats – another working class party that organised millions of workers – was essentially the same as the Nazis. This was obviously batshit but people were bullied into pretending to believe it.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at the idea that people today are embracing Stalinist ways of thinking, when these days even the Communist Party and Morning Star are happy to admit that they got it wrong in the 30s.

Who is this James Alex Fields person that Emily ran at with their gun pointed?

The white nationalist who murdered anti-racist protester Heather Heyer at the Charlottesville rally.

"Once you reach the last statement, then of course you can slap a woman and still think of yourself as a good person. She wants to kill you; a mere punch is self-defence."

Great post ROwan,
IMHO, these groups whether it be left, right or perceived middle ground, all have the potential to be extremist, or become extremist when certain minority of self interested groups infiltrate them.
We have seen LM, AC, etc. simply latch onto a group and cause maximum damage and chaos, simply to further their own extremely minority interests.
This is definitely the tail wagging the dog, and IMHO the dog is starting to wake up.
At least I hope it is.

No wonder they want freedom program shutdown...