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Trans activist shares their activism tactics

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OrangeJuicy · 23/01/2019 00:50

Emma G who declared war on Graham Linehan, and seemingly compared him to US neo-Nazis

See here:
mobile.twitter.com/Glinner/status/1087617063277993984

"Here's a thing I want
@Glinner
to know:

Graham, I am well-known for devastating the neo-Nazi movement in the US. I've helped swing US Military policy. People have gone to jail. They're afraid of me. They've kept me busy, but not for much longer.

And you're in my sights next."

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087297309388562432

Has now written a thread on their activism tactics.

Which sound... familiar. I can understand why Graham may want the thread reported for encouraging harassment, but maybe it should stay up to show everyone their tactics. Let's look and learn.

Thread:

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087785050857504769

archive.fo/eqCSq
(I think I've archived the whole thread there ?)

Since we're apparently being called Nazis, fascist, alt-right etc... Lol.
Or "other movements" .
Also, we have excellent reasoning.
Anyway, these are the tweets, pretty revealing:

  1. "There’s a playbook for undermining movements that works particularly well when those movements aren’t rooted in reason but in exclusion and mutuality. This playbook works for fascist groups, but also works for reflexive patriotism, hateful religiosity, and other movements."
  1. "The important thing to remember is you cannot debate in good faith with someone who will not debate in good faith. You cannot win on those terms."
  1. "Any debate is for the benefit of the unaffiliated external observer, so you have to frame the matter in the appropriate context, and that context should be tailored to the virtue centers of the audience. Exclusion and bigotry vs inclusion and civil rights."
  1. "Even still, you’re really not in a high-efficiency activity here. You’re far better off doing direct outreach."

  2. "Beyond that, there are a number of tools at your disposal. First, you recognize that their sense of identity is unity-focused, so your goal should be to sow distrust among the in-group to factionalize and divide."

  3. "Identifying and pressuring existing stress fractures is key. Frame the internal divisions and try to make them appear even larger."

  4. "Undermining trust also can take direct forms. I’ll leave it to your imagination here."

  5. "Next, remove the pillars of support of the movement. This means engaging with the things they rely on most heavily. This is hard, because this feels like an uphill battle."

  6. "If they rely on the media, you find inroads with the media. If they rely on the state, you (carefully and wisely) use the state. Turn their best tools against them. Undermining the trust in their foundations further exacerbates the internal divisions."

  7. "Then, shape their message as much ado about nothing. Seal off newcomers joining them because they look like zealots waging a very serious war against an absurd opponent."

  8. "While you do this, deny all forms of comfort. Undermine the sense of security in the spaces they feel most comfortable. Again, it’s left to your imagination here."

  9. "Each of these things will come with a pushback that will lead to a backlash. Don’t let that surprise you. Predict it and preempt it."

  10. "This allows you to start shaping the narrative of your choosing. Do not react. No story about your movement should come as a surprise. Preact. You should always have a response plan."

  11. "Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious."

  12. "If they think you’ve got nothing, always have something. If you have something, make them think you’ve got nothing."

  13. "This is precisely the playbook that was implemented after UTR to good success. The effects weren’t immediate but they only took about 7 months to effectively neutralize several key alt right movements and leaders."

      1. I have no idea what they're talking about ( also got no idea what UTR is/was above, I included that because "7mnths to "neutralize") so not going to copy those here.
  14. "Fascistic movements think that unification around their identity is what makes them strong, but it’s not. It makes them weak. While cringing a bit by even brining this up, this is precisely how Russia exploited American identitarianism to manipulate our democracy."

I think we can recognise some of these tactics trans activists have employed. If we had outlined what they were doing like this, we'd probably be called paranoid conspiracy theorists. Thanks Emma, for laying it all out in the open.

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Threewheeler1 · 23/01/2019 13:12

Oleannas
That quote Shock ... "even with just Mumsnet they talk in the same way nazis talk in their private discord like Mumsnet isn't open to basically everyone"

That's nuts. Like Nazis? Do they think we're using semaphore and morse?
One of the things I love about FWR is that everyone speaks clearly!
Also ironic, considering the lexicon of gender bollocks which they've foisted upon the world in an effort to confuse and shame ordinary people into agreeing with their ideology.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 13:15

"Every accusation is an admission".

Always.

Freespeecher · 23/01/2019 13:24

Thanks UnicornFarmer, I appreciate your candour. Hope the extrication was successful.

Datun · 23/01/2019 13:33

Finally, leave them in a state of perpetual uncertainty. Make sure they never have any confidence in what you know or what you’re about to do next. Always hold a promise of a bigger backlash against them. This takes time but they’ll learn after a few blows to be more cautious.

Dear God, do these people ever listen to themselves?

littlbrowndog · 23/01/2019 13:37

Naw they don’t because they are staring in mirror while writing this and thinking go me go me

andyoldlabour · 23/01/2019 13:43

Emily is a bit of a fantasist and tends to fabricate and skew statistics, as in this article.

"Anti-transgender violence against Black people is at epidemic levels."

emilygorcenski.com/post/transgender-murders-by-the-numbers/

Out of a total 15,129 murders in the US in 2017, 19 were black/transgender, 29 transgender murders in all - around 0.19%. By contrast in the UK in 2017 there were 613 murders (I am discounting the 96 added on for the Hillsboro manslaughter victims for obvious reasons).

www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 23/01/2019 13:43

What's an elephant bike? Does it have really big wheels? How is it steered?

I have concerns.

MsMcWoodle · 23/01/2019 14:12

That Emily sounds like she'd be a right laugh at parties, doesn't she?
Imagine spilling her pint.
Seriously though, what a depressing life. Sounds like someone with a yawning cavern of self loathing to fill.

Datun · 23/01/2019 14:23

I'm not sure what these American transactivists think. This government has consulted on a change to the law, for which they asked people to respond. To meet, talk about the implications and fill in a consultation document.

The clue is in the name. The government are consulting their constituents.

Gun toting TRAs from America, threatening women and laying out a battleplan to force the UK general public into complying with their ideology, don't seem to realise that what women are doing is not only legal, it's been promoted by our government.

Invoking Nazis, fascists, to further their cause is utterly irrelevant (and weird).

Sex segregation is a protocol that has already been won and accepted nationally for decades. And now people, largely aggressive men, are insisting on dismantling it, by threatening women with 'ruination' backed up by violence.

Little wonder that anyone who gets even a sniff of transactivism peaks immediately.

IfNotNowThenWhy · 23/01/2019 14:48

Thank you calpop. I am quite paranoid when it comes to chat apps and multi player games, trying to keep on top of it!

RedemptiveCrocodile · 23/01/2019 15:54

Very astute summary, Datun.

MsTSwift · 23/01/2019 16:06

On reading that solemn “I am coming for you” bit does that primary school retort “oooooh I’m scared” not pop into anyone else’s head Grin

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 16:11

I saw a couple of people tweet exactly that in response Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/01/2019 16:26

Dog with a boner

Trans activist shares their activism tactics
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/01/2019 16:27

Fuck!! I meant dog with a bone, not boner Blush

UnicornFarmer · 23/01/2019 16:28

I think he saw himself in it because she explicitly named him and said she was going to harass him?

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 16:36

PMSL at Pain Grin

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 16:37

I know you didn't mean it but really Grin

GrinitchSpinach · 23/01/2019 16:49

Seriously, Pain, we don't want to even get started on the furry connection...

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 16:52
Grin
birdsdestiny · 23/01/2019 16:59
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calpop · 23/01/2019 17:25

How old is Emily do we think? Not sure they are really understanding what a fascist is. Clue, it's not "someone who disagrees with me"

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/01/2019 17:33

Well this thread has given me Balldemort, wokewondo, u ok hun and a wealth of others. For that alone it’s worth it. Grin

I encourage everyone to go over to the 🥝 👩‍🌾 and read up on this lovely young citizen, and also furries. Do read about the furries. Make sure you’ve got a nice cup of tea, and some eye bleach.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 17:35

How old is Emily do we think? Not sure they are really understanding what a fascist is. Clue, it's not "someone who disagrees with me"

40s I'd guess from seeing some pictures. It's no guarantee of sense!

Datun · 23/01/2019 17:42

How old is Emily do we think? Not sure they are really understanding what a fascist is. Clue, it's not "someone who disagrees with me

Depends where you look. The photos are all very weird, and each is different. I know they come across as an angry, frustrated adolescent, but I think they are evidently old enough to know better.

Trans activist shares their activism tactics
Trans activist shares their activism tactics