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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Glinner invited on Primetime (Irish Newspanel show)

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Mumatoo · 20/01/2019 10:51

Without MaryZ to fly the flag this is going unnoticed on Mumsnet.

Graham Linehan was invited by RTE to take part in a panel on Trans issues. There are now petitions to have him removed.

gcn.ie/irish-public-complains-rtes-planned-inclusion-graham-linehan-irish-trans-law-debate/

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Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 14:13

geeka The point is that it's a men's rights movement. It gains in both places where women have good rights AND in places where they don't.

geekaMaxima · 23/01/2019 14:16

The fact that a mainly male dominated ideology has been able to see such progress so quickly compared to women is an important point, not least because if transwomen were genuinely viewed as women I doubt they'd have made the strides they have.

Sure. I agree.

But abortion rights vs. self ID isn't a good example to support this point because the evidence doesn't bear close scrutiny.

geekaMaxima · 23/01/2019 14:21

blue Yes, totally.

I'm a scientist by trade (name is a clue Grin) so I tend to want hard data to back up everything.

Let's point out the male-dominated / MRA agenda behind self ID at every opportunity, but let's also make sure that we have a rock-solid evidence base to support the point.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 14:30

geeka The point is that it's a men's rights movement. It gains in both places where women have good rights AND in places where they don't.

Yes.

GrinitchSpinach · 23/01/2019 14:51

But abortion rights vs. self ID isn't a good example to support this point because the evidence doesn't bear close scrutiny.But abortion rights vs. self ID isn't a good example to support this point because the evidence doesn't bear close scrutiny.

I don't think anyone is arguing that political conditions are exactly the same in all countries enacting or considering similar legislation. I think what many are arguing is that men can believe fundamentally in male supremacy and male sexual entitlement, and come to same conclusion on trans self-ID but different conclusions on abortion.

I have heard it said before that conservatives believe women to be an individual man's private property, and liberal men consider women to be all men's public property.

I think there is some truth to this. A man in Malta may support banning abortion as a way to control the sexuality and agency of his wife and daughters, and support trans self-ID in deference to the independent sexuality and agency of other men. Whereas a man in Canada may support abortion as a way of lowering sexual consequences borne by women in order to increase his sexual access to a variety of women, while supporting trans self-ID in deference to the sexuality and agency of other men. Either way it boils down to the supremacy of penis desires.

Obviously NAMALT and there are other reasons any individual might support these positions. But I think it's disingenuous to pretend that there is absolutely no worldwide commonality in the way men, the historic and current oppressors of our sex class, think about women.

NottonightJosepheen · 23/01/2019 14:53

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Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 14:54

Excellent post GrinitichSpinach

GrinitchSpinach · 23/01/2019 14:57

Why, thank you!

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 14:58

Thirded!

papayasareyum · 23/01/2019 15:02

I’ve gone through Glinners tweets with a fine toothed comb trying to find the transphobia and can’t find it. I can only assume that this is because he’s not transphobic?Confused

Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 15:12

Anything other than TWAW is vile transphobia in TRA land. I've seen transsexuals denounced as transphobic by people who aren't even trans, simply for acknowledging the reality of their biological sex. It's become a meaningless insult. As GL said to Benjamin Boyce, may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.

Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 15:15

Just to add- you can support the current GRA and welcome transwomen with GRCs into women's spaces and STILL be called transphobic. The argument has been shifted with the attempts to get the law changed- now you are transphobic if you don't support self ID. I saw a TRA tweet yesterday that this is the 'literal definition of transphobia' and it certainly seems to be the way the argument is going. If self ID is passed it will shift onto a new demand- maybe disagreeing with womb transplants or something will be the new transphobia Hmm

nauticant · 23/01/2019 15:15

Everything these days is transphobic except that which is sanctioned by the right thinking as not being so.

That breath of air you just took? That was transphobic. Unless there was an ideologically pure person to hand who sanctioned it as being trans-compliant.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2019 15:40

Everyone who isn't a transactivist is one slip away from being a transphobe.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 23/01/2019 18:53

'Literal' is becoming as meaningless a speech habit as 'vastly' was in Regency times.

Yes everything is transphobic. My goldfish is transphobic. The air is transphobic. That carpet is transphobic. Word has lost all meaning. And therefore all power.

Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 19:45

Aidan Comerford is currently aggressively, forensically questioning women on the issue of the cotton ceiling. Demanding proof of lesbians being bullied whilst ignoring many many screenshots showing exactly that. This is a supposed 'progressive' male suddenly disbelieving women because their aggressor is trans. It's repulsive to see.

nauticant · 23/01/2019 20:02

That. Is. Just. Breathtaking. He's running two things at once, shutting down women's voices about the cotton ceiling while aggressively demanding that women need to produce evidence or else they're lying.

Even raging MRAs tend to play it more softly than Comerford.

merrymouse · 23/01/2019 20:04

Demanding proof of lesbians being bullied whilst ignoring many many screenshots showing exactly that.

Ridiculous - seems to be asking for proof on twitter and then disregarding what people are saying because it's just something that somebody is saying on twitter.

merrymouse · 23/01/2019 20:05

Although it does rather illustrate the point that it is very difficult to prove abuse which is why people resort to safeguarding...

Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 20:06

He was given an account that tracks and screenshots TRA abuse against lesbians- and he immediately blocked the account.

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 23/01/2019 20:07

Comerford is a total dingbat.

He mustn’t have much else on given the sheer amount of time he’s been able to dedicate to harassing people over twitter on this issue.

Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 20:09

Nobody appears to be even backing him up now, even the usual misogynists seem to realise it's not a good look.

pachyderm · 23/01/2019 20:36

shudder

Comerford wrote a terrible clunky #metoo story recently on Twitter about a middle aged woman remembering a rape. Even his female followers thought it was creepy AF.

Bluestitch · 23/01/2019 20:39

Just searched 'Aidan Comerford metoo' and it leads to a deleted link. I can imagine though, makes me think of Danielle Muscato's metoo story that read like rape porn.

RosaPalma · 23/01/2019 20:40

How fucking dare he. He is an aggressive, arrogant, misogynistic prick. It is but the first time I have seen this approach from him. Creepy as fuck.