Glinner invited on Primetime (Irish Newspanel show)

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Without MaryZ to fly the flag this is going unnoticed on Mumsnet.

Graham Linehan was invited by RTE to take part in a panel on Trans issues. There are now petitions to have him removed.

gcn.ie/irish-public-complains-rtes-planned-inclusion-graham-linehan-irish-trans-law-debate/

merrymouse, but didn't a comment from the prison service to the show say that they take direction from the courts as to the legal gender of the person at the time of sentencing? That means one judgement and a precedent is set, right? I haven't rewatched so open to correction on that.

I listened on RTE player but had to keep deleting my history cookies as it kept cutting out. An interesting programme. Rather ironic that the transwoman interviewed saw the inability of a discussion on trans issues to take place in Ireland due to multiple protests as a sign that everyone agreed with the TWAW/ self ID proposals. Surely the sign that everyone agreed with you would be that you let the meeting go ahead and no-one bothers to attend.

Actually, on the medics giving comment, I was surprised Donald O'Shea didn't specifically contribute. He seems a rock of sense.

Rather ironic that the transwoman interviewed saw the inability of a discussion on trans issues to take place in Ireland due to multiple protests as a sign that everyone agreed with the TWAW/ self ID proposals.

Yes, they like to push that line here too. As you say, it makes no sense.

MotherFork, they said "any issues in relation to gender should have been addressed by the courts before the person is sent to prison".

This seems a bit vague to me, but I don't think indicates a default policy of recognising a GRC, which is what we have in the UK.

Does anybody else find it interesting that self ID became law in Ireland a good 3 years before repealing the 8th amendment?

I was so incensed by this that an hour ago I had a public row in UCD (OMG) the Irish on here will understand - about the constant mix up of sex and gender. We were uploading information on a survey and the IT guy said, Oh you can't put in male or female - you have to add more. I said, well there are only 2 sexes so what do you suggest? He said well you will offend someone. I said that I get offended when a University doesn't know the difference between gender and sex. Oh and no one backed me up!!!!

@NottonightJosepheen
www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/prime-time-transgender-report-is-delicate-if-a-little-patronising-1.3767683

The first comment on the IT article made that point quite rationally.

It was in a small class.

Other progressive paradises who have brought in gender (sex) self ID include:

Malta: abortion illegal

The de juree^ legal status of abortionon^ in Maltata^ holds that the practice is illegal. Malta is the only country in the European Unionn^ to prohibit abortion entirely.[1] However, abortions are de factoo^ allowed to save the mother's life.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortioninn_Malta

Argentina: Abortion legal only in cases of rape or danger to mother

Abortion in Argentina, when understood as induced, is considered a crime against a life and a person, and it can be punished with one to fifteen years of prison for anyone that induces an abortion. The same penalty is incurred by doctors, surgeons, midwives and pharmacists that induce or cooperate in the induction of an abortion, with the addition of a special disqualification for two times the length of their sentence. And any woman that intentionally causes her own abortion or consents to another person performing one on her, is faced with one to four years of prison.
However, abortion can be performed legally by a certified doctor if:
1. The abortion has been made to avoid danger to life or health of the mother and whether this danger cannot be avoided by other means.
2. The pregnancy results from rape or an attempt against the purity of a feeble-minded or demented woman.[1]]^

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortioninn_Argentina

@Bluestictch - totally agree.

@bluestitch. !!!!

Sorry about the crappy formatting!

TL:DR

Abortion is criminalised in certain countries which have passed gender self identification laws.

Who is Aidan Comerford? Seeing him laying into GL alot. He's also started on Tim Minchin now for daring to like a GC tweet.

Is Minchin GC? I do so hope so.

Here is the tweet re Tim Minchin. Further down the conversation somebody links a tweet where he doesn't appear GC, so who knows. At the moment even liking an unapproved tweet is a crime so he'll be labelled transphobic anyway.

mobile.twitter.com/MrAComerford/status/1087982305573064706

twitter.com/MrAComerford/status/1087986214207193088?s=20

As opposed to the clichė of middle-aged white dudes with too much time on their hands tweeting ignorance about women's lives?

"To be honest I just don't get how rational, sceptical types can get sucked into these views"

And this isn't a parody account

OwThatsGottaHurt, yes, that comment says it all... We need to get over the ludicrous, twee squeamishness we have over "omg, you said sex!" We're not giggling eight year olds.

annasgirl - nice work! 👍

merrymouse, yes, it is ambiguous but I think I could be read that a grc does allow access to the "new gender" estate. I hope I'm wrong.

Love this.

Does anybody else find it interesting that self ID became law in Ireland a good 3 years before repealing the 8th amendment?

Self ID was passed quietly and quickly in Ireland as government legislation. It didn't require a change to the constitution. Most people don't even know about it.

Abortion did require a change to the constitution and hence required a referendum before government could pass any legislation. The whole process was very laborious and took years, but concrete work was started on it way before self ID was even proposed.

Irish posters have explained this many many times on MN so please stop with the nudge-nudge on the relative timing of two very different legal processes. The public and political will was behind abortion much earlier than self ID.

The processes of changing the law may be different but the point stands that changes to the law at the request of trans activists were made in record time whilst women have been ignored for decades.

Abortion is criminalised in certain countries which have passed gender self identification.

No, just Malta, as far as I can tell.

There's some form of self ID in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Malta, Ireland, Portugal, Canada and Argentina. Abortion is legal in all bar Malta.