Glinner invited on Primetime (Irish Newspanel show)

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Without MaryZ to fly the flag this is going unnoticed on Mumsnet.

Graham Linehan was invited by RTE to take part in a panel on Trans issues. There are now petitions to have him removed.

gcn.ie/irish-public-complains-rtes-planned-inclusion-graham-linehan-irish-trans-law-debate/

I'm worried, it really feels like we are sleepwalking into yet another era where women and children will have their rights walked over and abused. Companies also blindly following advice from those shouting the loudest, here's part of 'our' policy statement:

'Some trans people decide to transition, which is the process of living their life as their true gender. There is no single transitioning process. Some people may adopt new pronouns, change their name, apply for legal gender recognition, and/or undergo gender affirming surgery or hormone therapy.

Being transgender has nothing to do with a person’s sexual orientation. You can be a trans man and be gay – or be a trans woman and be lesbian.'

There have been recent workshops/talks about it, I stayed away as I would only get myself in trouble if I opened my mouth.

They have not come right out and said TWAW but it's just as bad saying 'trans women can be lesbians'.

I have joined Ireland ReSisters on Twitter but have no clue what else to do.

Why is Katherine Zappone so silent on this?

There’s a 200+ comment thread on Reddit’s Ireland board talking about him at the moment.

There’s the compulsory “He stopped money going to a kids’ charity, what a monster!” posts, but some really encouraging and informed comments from people who Get It and calling out misinformation which are being upvoted.

ForeverFaithless Camille Loftus and Joani Walsh are other Irish GC feminists who are v vocal on Twitter.

Walsh wrote the recent Telegraph expose on NHS wards already accepting self ID.

Both are worth a follow.

I work for a large Irish organization that traditionally recruited very bright people. . So many people here are swallowing the ‘we must be kind’. I’m finding it really difficult, there’s also a push to be T inclusive which seems to be to the detriment of women. So little critical thinking on this subject. I’m
Hoping the prime time programme might open some eyes

Thanks Penny that's good to know.

And I agree MadamBatty in the org I'm in, loads of very well educated people, they have all 'drunk the Koolaid'.

But I am concerned that actually voicing a different opinion will get me in trouble, even though in reality it should be covered within their 'speak up policy.

"Transwomen are not allowed in Irish female prisons or female hospital wards."

Katispancuddly thats said a lot but its not true, there is no provision in the act that hospitals wards will be kept single sex (in the actual meaning of sex) nor as far as I'm aware has the HSE said that

To quote myself from another thread about prisons: "Under current Irish law you can't move prisons if you are in the prison of one sex you cannot be transferred to the prison of the other sex as its down to warrant issued by the court (although thats probably ripe for an ECHR case)

The court could decide to issue a warrant for a transwoman to a womens prison, theres nothing stopping it and if you read pg 18 and 19 of this pdf (from a few months after self ID) its said that they go on whats on a persons birth cert which with self ID is changeable

www.iprt.ie/files/IPRT_Out_on_the_Inside_2016_EMBARGO_TO_1030_Feb_02_2016.pdf

Francis Fitzgerald (when she was minister for justice) confirms here its based on "legal identity" www.inis.gov.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-24-01-2017-106"

Sorry the Francis Fitzgerald link doesn't work for some reason but what I meant to link to is here www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-24-01-2017-106

gcn.ie/irish-prison-service-lgbt-prisoners/

They're coming for the women's prison, you can be sure of that.

Thanks miri I think I got that from Prof Freedman / the woman's hour discussion on gender and the law.

It's depressing it's not true. They are astonishingly naive.

I'm hoping that this will open people's eyes. Very few Irish people are aware of what's going on and most who give it any thought think we're talking about Hayley Cropper types so can't see a problem with it. I think this could be a WTAF? moment for a lot of people.

I was asked to participate but I was afraid of going public. Maybe that’s why Glinner is on - he’s not afraid for his job. I know it’s awful and I will have to confront it but I am just starting out in a new career - retrained in my 40’s - so I need to be in there a few years first.

Sorry I also think he will be excellent and articulate but they also did try to get Irish women on the panel

Is Glinner the only GC person appearing do we know? I really hope they have equal representation of both sides of the no debate.

Do you think we'll get an answer to the question of what rights trans people DON'T have that everyone else does? Or it'll be the usual 'NAMALT, NATWALT, be kind we just want to pee in peace' type of event?

I'm a bit nervous for Glinner, actually, but if he can get more of the general public to see that the emperor has no clothes and bring their attention to the massive safeguarding issues, it will help with tide turning.

A quick search for this online, brings up lots of hate for Glinner. Lots of headlines about the petition to have him removed from the programme.

Which really begs the question...... if he is so wrong in his thinking, surely the best approach would be to debate his points with him and identify the flaws in his argument.

Exactly Constance. If people are saying that Glinner belongs to some mad out there View why not air these views.

Interestingly there was an article in the independent last night stating that there were petitions to remove Glinner from the programme. The tone was definitely incredulous & that G was some kind of looney. The article disappeared & reappeared with a more even tone this morning.

It's mortifying that Irish women need a man to speak up for them - even moreso a man that doesn't even live in Ireland. Much as I admire Glinner, we need Irish women living in Ireland to speak up.

I work for a very right-on organisation and I would be in serious trouble if I came out as gender critical and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of us. I've never felt so much an outsider in this country as I do now and so disconnected from people I thought would be my natural allies.

TheBeastAwakens - totally agree.

I think there are more GC in these Right On organisations than they’d have you believe though- I know someone who works for one of the big trade unions which was all over the repeal campaign, Irish water and now the housing crisis. They had a chat with their head of Comms who said the organisation wouldn’t be touching the trans stuff with a barge pole as it’s just mental and wouldn’t be supported by the members.

TheBeast I agree and don't agree at the same time.
I am well able to speak for myself BUT that doesn't mean men will listen.
You see it in all sorts of scenarios...once you're a woman, it doesn't matter how good or logical or strong your argument is, it will be listened to once it's supported by a man.

So, Glinner is a useful ally.

Unfortunately he seems to be getting a pasting on some of the Irish chat boards, and the headlines all seem to be about the petition to silence remove him.
Little listening to the facts of how trans rights are being used a sheep's clothing for abusive or perverted men.

Am shocked at the response @Glinner is getting on twitter today. I have been on the periphery (mainly for mental health reasons) so havent seen it happen before, only in retweets where I havent read all the comments. most of the transcult are really aggressive and genuinely batshit. And they have the shittest memes.

Stay strong Graham. I appreciate the work you are doing.

It is shocking the first time you realise what is happening.
It's like a mental block suddenly disappears and slowly the floodgates open.

CountessConstance - absolutely agree that Glinner's a useful ally. However, until we have women who can speak up and say they don't want men in their refuges, changing rooms, toilets - and saying why - the libfems will decry him as 'mansplaining' to them. Sadly I think the libfems are just as, if not more, determined in their rush to sell women and girls down the river. I've even seen some of them say that this is a 'UK problem' and GC Irishwomen are West Brits.

Penny - good to know! I'm slowly trying to convert people informally. I think once it's explained, people do see sense. We just need to reach critical mass.

The Independent website is turning into a load of DailyMail recycled trash. They have an agony aunt letter beside the Glinner story 'Dear Mary: I'm a lesbian in a man's body' which looks like an obvious convenient made up story to me.

Also, their constant use of child p*rn instead of images of child sex abuse makes me want to puke every time.

The level of knowledge and reporting is pathetic.

On tonight folks!
www.rte.ie/player/series/prime-time/SI0000000825?epguid=IH000368162

If not available live in the UK, it should be available afterwards.

See also:
www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/graham-linehan-trans-activists-don-t-realise-the-damage-they-do-1.3765979

Good on RTE for not caving in to the woke fury.

There's a protest being organised at the RTE studios tonight. They really don't want any discussion on this topic at all, do they?