Glinner invited on Primetime (Irish Newspanel show)

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Without MaryZ to fly the flag this is going unnoticed on Mumsnet.

Graham Linehan was invited by RTE to take part in a panel on Trans issues. There are now petitions to have him removed.

gcn.ie/irish-public-complains-rtes-planned-inclusion-graham-linehan-irish-trans-law-debate/

Please read my post below. Abortion is only legal in Argentina under very strict conditions.

So what excalty is GL saying that is tranphobic? They all keep saying how transphopic he is and that he is spreading misinformation but I still can't see that. He is getting a battering on twitter for sure, but can people not think and see for themselves that he is not saying anything tranphopic! It's getting annoying at this stage.

The processes of changing the law may be different but the point stands that changes to the law at the request of trans activists were made in record time whilst women have been ignored for decades.

YY.

Jeez Aidan talking talking bout middle aged white men with to much time on their hands
Haha

Wouldn't you love to see self-id put to referendum Mardhea? They sure wouldn't. Democracy and free speech only goes one way with those tossers.

Adrian Comerford's obsession with Glinner, it's almost like Glinner is a vastly successful comedy writer being attacked by a would-be comedy blogger who's as funny as a fire in an orphanage

He is getting a battering on twitter for sure

Twitter is not a place where any sort of reasonable opinion is necessarily the one that is popular. It's not a great indication of what most people think.

I'll have to look up the other countries but abortion is heavily restricted in Argentina and women have been denied abortion in many cases. A bill to fully legalise and provide abortions in national clinics failed last year.

As I said in my first post which that poster didn't bother to read.

That it was restricted, not about the bill.

Agreed Ereshkigal, Irish Twitter in particular is a ludicrous outpost of batshittery.

Sorry Ereshkigal somehow missed your post re Argentina. Yes abortion can be legal on paper but still heavily restricted to the point that it's difficult to get one. A Danish MNer was saying on another thread that in Denmark after 12 weeks a woman has to plead her case in front of a panel and they are usually denied.

Astonishing reply to that Aidan Comerford tweet

twitter.com/DuncanMSussex/status/1087998134100336640

To be honest I just don't get how rational, sceptical types can get sucked into these views. The anti-trans arguments go against the consensus in medicine and use very shoddy biology.

Please read my post below. Abortion is only legal in Argentina under very strict conditions.

Yes, it's legal in Argentina only in cases of maternal life, mental health, physical health and/or cases of rape. It's criminalised in other cases.

But if you want to count any form of criminalisation of abortion, then that includes every country on earth. Nowhere allows abortion on demand under all circumstances. Even in the UK, abortion is legal only in cases of maternal life, mental health, physical health, rape, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors. It's criminalised in other cases.

So perhaps you meant something different by criminalisation (severe restrictions?) but I went by what you stated.

Perhaps you're pointlessly nitpicking my wording?

And didn't read my other post. RTFT

If abortion is legislated to the point that it is virtually impossible for an ordinary person of limited means to access, if a person can only get an abortion if she can categorically prove she has been raped, or find the rare doctor willing to perform one in the very limited time period allowed, then it's status as technically legal means jack shit.

Quite.

The IT pieces mentioned above:

www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/prime-time-transgender-report-is-delicate-if-a-little-patronising-1.3767683

Why start then with an address to an imagined audience of parents – rather than the affected age group? Even a sympathetic stance can be faintly marginalising.

This is not a programme about aggressive trans recruitment, unfair sporting advantage or predatory imposters, though. It is about extending trust, choice, support and the capacity to change to young Irish people, in small but significant ways.

Notice the drawing of boundaries about what should not be discussed.

Why can't 'feminine' men and 'masculine' women confidently assert their place, be respected and allowed to express themselves in whatever way they wish, without changing anything!!!! Hear hear.

Erish what's your point?

Self ID is legal in one of the strictest anti-abortion countries in the world (Malta, completely illegal) and in one of the most liberal pro-abortion countries in the world (Sweden, on demand up to 18 weeks and in certain circumstances thereafter).

You can't pick data from one side and ignore the other.

And no, I'm not in favour of self ID at all, but I also don't think there's much to be said for cherry-picking examples to fit a preconceived idea about the relationship between self-ID and abortion.

Agree Old Crone. I thought about replying to it but then decided that level of ignorance would not respond to rational argument and would just shout "bigot" or "transphobic" as he has obviously not actually looked at the arguments and just follows the cult and chants the mantras

My point was clear, and I'm not the only person to make it. See Bluestitch's last post. Someone even referenced Denmark as being a place where it's hard to get an abortion, another such progressive paradise. Very silly people have even pointed positively before to Iran's stance on trans "rights" before, when the reality is often transition or death for gay men.

When you're talking about countries that heavily legislate abortion, then a comparison would be only allowing legal change of gender if you meet very specific medical criteria. The fact that countries make women jump through (often impossible) hoops whilst allowing a simple declaration of gender to be taken at face value with little to no gatekeeping is relevant IMO. Yes self ID is the law in countries with liberal abortion laws but the fact that self ID is also the law in countries where abortion is either illegal or so strict as to be impossible to get certainly says something about how women are viewed. The fact that a mainly male dominated ideology has been able to see such progress so quickly compared to women is an important point, not least because if transwomen were genuinely viewed as women I doubt they'd have made the strides they have.

Actually, scratch Sweden. Canada has even more liberal abortion laws (on demand at all stages of pregnancy), and we all know Canada's position on self ID.

Really not seeing a relationship between self ID and abortion restrictions now.

The fact that a mainly male dominated ideology has been able to see such progress so quickly compared to women is an important point, not least because if transwomen were genuinely viewed as women I doubt they'd have made the strides they have.

This. It is extremely telling.