Gillette advert

[GoulashSoup]

This popped up on my face book.

It is not going to solve all our problems but encouraging men to challenge other men’s behaviour is a good start.

Some of you lot tell your boys their masculinity is toxic

Masculinity isn't toxic. Toxic masculinity is toxic.

but toxic doesn't HAVE to apply to masculinity that's the whole point- and the ad is saying that 'the best a man can be' is better- and then we see men doing masculinity in a positive way- not them being 'feminine'

The cynic in me figures that Gilette have worked out that woke beardy dudes don't buy razors any more

And actually the perception that some men (and women) have of feminine men in some way not being "real men" is a part of the problem

And now I'm getting side bar ads for Flamingo razors....

“Datun

Well MarshmallowSnowDon what can I tell ya. Anything that gets the fact that 98% of all sexually violent crime is committed by men, into the public psyche, is a good thing.”

Everybody knows that almost all violent sex crime is committed by men. Everybody has always known this. Nobody with any sense even doubts that nor did they ever doubt that. How exactly would the average woman even be capable of forcing herself on the average man? #MeToo might have increased sympathy early on, but once it was seen as going too far sympathy decreased. And the more extreme and hysterical the more sympathy decreases. Hysterical feminist twitter mobs will damage sympathy for women far quicker than MRAs can. This is why I believe the right will eventually win the culture war, the other side has become hysterical and will discredit itself.

The cynic in me figures that Gilette have worked out that woke beardy dudes don't buy razors any more

I can’t understand their marketing strategy. Let’s make an advert that will appeal to people who never use our product? Genius.

If they want to make money they should go with the slogan ‘Gillette - because 9 out of 10 women think men with beards are creepy.’

I'm not sure exploring ones feminine side leads to wanting to be a girl?!

There are people on here who've posted about the joy of letting their boys wear dresses and bringing them up in a "gender neutral" fashion. Can you not see why boys of this kind of parenting would be far more likely to be pulled in by Mermaids etc? Children who are secure in their gender and masculinity are less likely to be pulled in by all this trans stuff and to see much of it as the nonsense it is.

That's probably why you don't seem to get many working class or BAME trans kids... it's largely the offspring of white middle class liberals, hence that school in Brighton with 40 odd trans kids.

*Boys who are secure in their gender and masculinity rather

you lot

rude

If they want to make money they should go with the slogan ‘Gillette - because 9 out of 10 women think men with beards are creepy.’

DARVO! So predictable! But women do bad things too🙄
Remind me what the crime stats say again...

“I can’t understand their marketing strategy. Let’s make an advert that will appeal to people who never use our product? Genius.”

My thoughts. By taking the virtue signalling to a new level they got lots of free advertising. Even the BBC that doesn’t do advertising have given them glowing coverage on the front page of the BBC website. So they’ll get a spike in sales then almost everyone else will quickly forget about it except those of us that are extremely pissed off, which is where the long term damage comes from. Then some other company will decide to pull the same stunt but in order to get the same effect they will have to take it a little further as people quickly become desensitised to such crap. Once the insufferable virtue signalling is jacked up to 11 sympathy for such causes will start falling. Oh wait we’re already there...

So they’ll get a spike in sales then almost everyone else will quickly forget about it except those of us that are extremely pissed off, which is where the long term damage comes from.

But why would anyone be "extremely pissed off" about an advert which shows men being good people?

There are times when I really wish I could type a simple "Oh, fuck off" and not risk a deletion.

Women talking about their experiences of sexism and abuse is wearisome and goes 'too far' and 'people' lose sympathy with the 'hysteria'.

I mean yes, normally I'd rip that shit to pieces with some patience and care, but right now, nah.

DFO.

DFO

God,
I'm so with you. I thought it was because I'd had couple of glasses of wine, but I realised it's because I can't fucking stand the effing tedium of refuting men's rights activism for dummies.

What is it with spaces women gather to talk that makes them so irresistible? I mean, I get the blokes of simple motivation who arrive just for the wank fodder (Don't take that as an invitation, Midnight Miso and Piss Troll) but why is there an endless stream of persons of one pet peeve or another who wish to make lordly pronouncements about the myriad wrong ways in which we conduct our conversations?

Top tip: do try avoid repeated use of the word hysterical. It blows the cover, dontchaknow.

“But why would anyone be "extremely pissed off" about an advert which shows men being good people?” - you might as well ask why would people be pissed off if an advert started with news stories about women making false rape allegations or lying about paternity, mentioning toxic feminity then asking women not to be so emotional and to correct each other’s behaviour. They would be pissed off. And rightly so in my opinion. But the why hardly matters to my argument. I’m arguing that 1. many people are pissed off, and 2. people have a long memories when something really upsets them, and 3. this is where the long term damage will come from. In the short term they have had masses of free advertising.

Also the evidence that attitudes are moving against things like the #MeToo seems pretty solid to me. And attitudes seem to be changing more among women than among me although women are still far more sympathetic. This just seems to me to be what the evidence is actually saying www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/10/15/after-a-year-of-metoo-american-opinion-has-shifted-against-victims

Blah ble bloo blah blah blah.

Don't care.

It’s so predictable, many blokes of my acquaintance are squeaking that it’s mean because it makes them look bad, that since we live with men it can’t be that awful, that woman are horrendous bitches to each other too.

Honestly these are ‘good’ men who cannot see the world from behind their privileged rose tinted gaze.

@MarshmallowSnowDon you're comparing apples and oranges - 1 in 5 women experience sexual violence whereas false rape allegations are so few they're practically negligible. And where's your evidence that women as a class lie about paternity? What a strange post!

news stories about women making false rape allegations or lying about paternity,

Not the same and doesnt happen in the same amounts

Even slightly

False comparison i suppose is the phase im searching for

Ooooh CROSSPOST

Do love a good crosspost

boys in tutus etc- are growing up understanding that you can wear a tutu and still be a boy- it's precisely the opposite of trans thinking-
gender critical=boys can wear and like and be attracted to whatever, they are still boys, there are lots of different ways to be a boy (or a man)
trans/conservative thinking=if you are a boy and like 'girl things' the either there is something wrong with you OR you are actually a girl

I find it SO frustrating that people can't grasp this, it's so simple