Did anyone watch Loose Women today?

[MrsScamander]

They were discussing whether transgender people should have access to the ward of the sex they identify as.

3 of the presenters brought up the valid concerns of the safety of women but it seems Stacey Solomon thinks that its terribly unkind of women to not feel comfortable having penis in their personal space when they're vulnerable in a hospital ward.

We should ignore our own discomfort because a transwomen doesn't feel comfortable on a ward full of men 😑

Generally I like Stacey, but I cannot agree with her disregarding the concerns surrounding putting male bodies in spaces with vulnerable women. Apparently Karen White is a rare example of someone abusing self ID, so we should ignore that it happened because it doesn't happen often.

Women are collateral damage.

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a me-railer

haven't had one of those for a while

super

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leave nothing out

Crikey. Never quite know what brand of GF you're going to find when you open a thread these days.

haha.

Great. Getting my popcorn.

Is this a regular thing?

Moderator at the pub on Friday lunchtime?

How many posts does it normally take for the me-railer to start whining about being oppressed?

I'm not really sure, but I am enjoying the quirky juxtaposition of 'CIS' and Gammon.

I see from other posts of yours you don't like —feminists— women

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leave nothing out

Bus down women. A poor repressed man has entered the discussion, to tell us how it really is and where we’re all going wrong. 😁

How come it’s the people who come on here to berate us for our transphobia who use the most offensive transphobic language?

oh! gone already

like the first blossom of spring, goady fuckers are very much the may flys of the MN posting world. brief but glorious

next time put some lippy on mate

How come it’s the people who come on here to berate us for our transphobia who use the most offensive transphobic language?

Oo oo, I know this! Is it because they don't actually care at all about trans people and are just using them as a handy wedge to attack women?

We are not allowed to voice our concerns in any way.
Seem to be voicing them just fine here.

Hmm, I suspect that it will be older women, who have seen a bit more of how the world really works, rather than how it would work if everyone was luffley, who will be the ones thinking more deeply about how transgender issues could really impact women.

Younger people are more idealistic and less realistic.

Seem to be voicing them just fine here.

Fabulous, isn't it? Long live free speech, may it spread all over the internet!

Solomon is one of the biggest virtue signallers on TV. She can be relied upon to present the most hand wringing, left leaning opinions, always accompanied by a pathetic wounded fawn expression on her face.

I'm not a fan.

I don’t actually know who she is. I assume she was on some tv talent show?

My mother is 89 with Alzheimers, and so most of my exposure to hospitals is visiting wards full of elderly women who are already struggling to orient themselves, whilst shocked from a fall, or full of infection and drugged up.

Stacey Soloman may be OK. And she may feel deeply about trans-feelz. But would she prioritise this over the comfort and welbeing of one of her elderly relatives.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale
But there are still cunts on MN.

Full of 'em, it is

MrsScamander
Once again women voicing their concerns for the safety and women is literal violence against transgender people.

It's wearisome. And has made me feel very hostile, where before I would have been all supportive like a good little woman should.

I don't actually believe women like Solomon are really okay with it. They just haven't thought it through.

I had a friend whose every idea took on the glowing light of a TV ad. It could be an extreme form of optimism, who knows.

But in Stacy's head, she won't be waking up, unable to move properly, with some man intimidating her or unwittingly waving his willy around.

And of course, it will be the elderly too who come in for this. You don't generally go into hospital being terribly healthy, sprightly and with all your wits about you.

I do think that it's often an incomplete thought process that creates this kind of attachment to Genderist ideas.
Not many people are accustomed to really drilling down into why they think what they think and what the consequences of their ideas are.

And, as has been pointed out, when you're in the fortunate position of likely never having to face the issues on the ground, the need to be accepted as kind and nice will over ride hard thinking- which is one of the reasons why not only Stacey just rolled over, but even the older women who expressed their problems, did so in a very apologetic manner and lots of deflecting "It's so complicated!" pleas.

It's not complicated at all. Three of them said it could be solved by third space solutions. But they felt it necessary to say it was complicated to signal that they were trying very hard not to automatically put women's needs first.

Yes yabbers and I was called a cunt for doing so.

Not to mention the countless meetings set up by women's groups such as A Woman's Place that have been subject to aggressive protesting by TRAs and the constant attempts to have those meetings cancelled. Or the women who's jobs are being threatened, doors being pissed on, addresses and kids photos being posted online, all for speaking for women's rights.

But we're doing just fine.

Speaking as a bloke, I wouldn't be happy sharing a mixed hospital ward, and I don't like the idea of having mixed changing rooms. I can well understand why women want privacy, why they don't want men in hospital wards with them, and by that I mean human beings who were born male.
Call me old fashioned, but I like the idea of privacy and modesty.

Juells same here. I started off thinking TRAs were actually open to having reasonable discussions and compromises might be reached.

Took me 1 week on Twitter to realise they don't want compromise, they want complete capitulation.

Our coronary care ward is mixed sex. It is a huge entirely open space with the beds lined up around the walls. It takes up the entire top floor of the hospital and there is no segregation (other than curtains) between the patients.

Are they breaking rules by having this?