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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New gender gap index shows men most disadvantaged

271 replies

Imnobody4 · 08/01/2019 19:24

The backlash continues, I'm starting to get really scared now.

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Entitled “A Simplified Approach to Measuring National Gender Inequality,” authors Gijsbert Stoet from the U.K.’s University of Essex, and David C. Geary from the University of Missouri, contend that the GGGI is unreliable, because it is “biased to highlight women’s issues.” They argue that the GGGI does not measure men’s areas of disadvantage, such as compulsory military service, harsher punishments for the same crime, and workplace deaths — 95 per cent male.

By definition, they say, the GGGI “excludes the possibility that men can be less well off than women – this is because the GGGI focuses on women’s advancement.” As well, they contend that the GGGI uses indicators that are only relevant to elite women, and that the GGGI includes indicators more reflective of choice than of discrimination.

The researchers propose a truly gender-neutral set of metrics for calculating equality scores, named the Basic Index of Gender Inequality (BIGI). BIGI focuses on three factors: educational opportunities (literacy, years of primary and secondary education), healthy life expectancy (years expected to live in good health), and overall life satisfaction which, taken together, are the “minimum ingredients of a good life.”
Stoet and Geary calculated BIGI scores over five years (2012 through 2016) for 134 nations, representing 6.8 billion people. They relied on GGGI reports published by the World Economic Forum and the Gallup World Poll for data. To their surprise, they found that using the BIGI as a yardstick, men are on average disadvantaged in 91 countries, while women are disadvantaged in 43 countries, most of them economically under-developed. Sometimes the deviations from parity are quite small or even negligible, as for example in the case of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Turkey, China and Switzerland.

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FloralBunting · 09/01/2019 22:48

Feckin' ell, good job I'm enjoying a break right now, else I'd be compelled to remark upon the need for men to rock up to a board about discussing women's rights, ask why the women there aren't solving all the problems in the world, and then do that lovely text version of manspreading summed up in the phrase "I have just as much right to be here as you do"

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 22:49

Is your break not up yet floral

I thought mebbe youd get time off for good behaviour

EggOfScotland · 09/01/2019 22:50

Someone else suggested that the feminism board wasnt the right place to talk about how disadvantaged men are compared to women

To be fair they might have meant that you should find somewhere not mumsnet to discuss it...but thats not what they said

Ok, may have misinterpreted it, but nobody seemed to have an issue with the OP posting the thread in here.

I think it's not unreasonable to comment on threads about my sex. It's not as if feminists aren't generally forthcoming when a man makes a comment about women which they disagree with. I think it should be a two way thing.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 22:55

Ok, may have misinterpreted it, but nobody seemed to have an issue with the OP posting the thread in here

Well thats good of you to say

But i think youve missed the point slightly about the OP

The OP was about being frightened of the backlash against women as evidenced by the 'men are more disadvantaged' article

So not a let's discuss how bad men have it...more a 'handmaids' moment

Having said that the Op herself has disappeared so we might both be worng!

EggOfScotland · 09/01/2019 22:56

Manspreading? I'm more bothered by femwafting (spritzing with cloying perfume in enclosed spaces) and bagspreading.

But all the above are minutiae compared to 84 men killing themselves a week or VAWG. First world problems IMHO.

userschmoozer · 09/01/2019 23:00

Feminist Jessica Eaton and her husband set up a mental health charity for men. You don't see women trying to insist they also include women, or close it down.

No one is stopping men doing something about it.
We would like the same courtesy in return.

FloralBunting · 09/01/2019 23:00

Sure, fella. You work that egalitarian style. Lovely stuff.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 09/01/2019 23:00

This thread is genius. I see Erin Pizzey has made an appearance. Has anyone solved the murder of her dog yet?

userschmoozer · 09/01/2019 23:00

It was wimmin wot done it, I guarantee it.

FloralBunting · 09/01/2019 23:01

I'm not really back yet, Rufus. Just have a free evening and I've run out of dry roasted nuts.

EggOfScotland · 09/01/2019 23:03

All we need is a reference to mattress girl and we have MRA/feMRA 101.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:03

ive run out of dry roasted nuts

Confused

Dunno what to say about that..

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:04

tallulah

I was waiting for the dog reference

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:04

More women attempt suicide than men...its dreadful that people think its their only way out

userschmoozer · 09/01/2019 23:05

Floral For someone who's not really back, you're doing a fine impression of someone who is posting...Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:05

What the fucks feMRA?

Im not googling it!!

userschmoozer · 09/01/2019 23:07

I could have linked to some suicide stats that show how in women its frequently linked to DV but the women's charity that has the info has deleted the page.

FloralBunting · 09/01/2019 23:09

I'm not really here. I'm just using the side entrance of the radicalization portal to sneak in for a bit while the other adults in the house do other things.

I need wine now, though. Nuts are over rated.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:14

Its too late for wine

Its time for bedboes

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 09/01/2019 23:15

Nuts are absolutely overrated. I usually think they're a welcome accompaniment at first but they lose their appeal so quickly when you realise they have nothing new to contribute, and just become a bit dry and pointless.

FloralBunting · 09/01/2019 23:17

Bedboes? Is that a new kind of gin?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:17

Although ive just told dh off

Half way through a story about a customer and he started telling me how the shop were out of order and he sympathised with the customer

And i hadnt even got to the point of my story...being that the manager was very sympathetic but didnt know what to do to help

Now he is burbling about male dominance Hmm

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:18

No Blush

Its bedtime

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/01/2019 23:19

Sorry

Bedboes means bedtime

It could be worse...I could have said beddiboboes

FloralBunting · 09/01/2019 23:21

Ahhh, you mean like beddibyes? Gotcha.

I'm having tea. And planning world domination by wafting perfume around a confined space at the next opportunity.