New gender gap index shows men most disadvantaged

[Imnobody4]

The backlash continues, I'm starting to get really scared now.

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Entitled “A Simplified Approach to Measuring National Gender Inequality,” authors Gijsbert Stoet from the U.K.’s University of Essex, and David C. Geary from the University of Missouri, contend that the GGGI is unreliable, because it is “biased to highlight women’s issues.” They argue that the GGGI does not measure men’s areas of disadvantage, such as compulsory military service, harsher punishments for the same crime, and workplace deaths — 95 per cent male.

By definition, they say, the GGGI “excludes the possibility that men can be less well off than women – this is because the GGGI focuses on women’s advancement.” As well, they contend that the GGGI uses indicators that are only relevant to elite women, and that the GGGI includes indicators more reflective of choice than of discrimination.

The researchers propose a truly gender-neutral set of metrics for calculating equality scores, named the Basic Index of Gender Inequality (BIGI). BIGI focuses on three factors: educational opportunities (literacy, years of primary and secondary education), healthy life expectancy (years expected to live in good health), and overall life satisfaction which, taken together, are the “minimum ingredients of a good life.”
Stoet and Geary calculated BIGI scores over five years (2012 through 2016) for 134 nations, representing 6.8 billion people. They relied on GGGI reports published by the World Economic Forum and the Gallup World Poll for data. To their surprise, they found that using the BIGI as a yardstick, men are on average disadvantaged in 91 countries, while women are disadvantaged in 43 countries, most of them economically under-developed. Sometimes the deviations from parity are quite small or even negligible, as for example in the case of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Turkey, China and Switzerland.

Well thats not embarrassing

I dont wear perfume

Dd sprayed some perfume in the air to test it and leant in for a sniff

Then started screaming about it getting in her eyes

Ooohhh it was funny

Rufus, as ever, you've made me chuckle.

Thanks floral

Night

I shall have the men of the world as my chattels by the judicious use of Impulse in a shopping centre lift. Mowahaha!

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I've just binge watched Red Dwarf and read that in the voice of Kryten.

eggofscotland
“But this argument only works when you lump men into a homogenous group, hence my issue with class analysis.

Extremely few black people were more privileged than the average white person in the period you reference. However, the average UK woman earns more than the average UK man in this country up until the approximate age of motherhood”

Read this and felt confused. On the one hand you are saying men shouldn’t be lumped together as a homogenous group when men’s welfare is being discussed?

Then you provide stats for the average woman out earning the average man- which statement lumps women together as a homogenous group as generally better off than men?

How does that work with the recent scandal about the ongoing pay gap between men and women across many sectors in the U.K.?

I can believe that maybe women out earn men now in entry level jobs as these seem to be more based in the care sector than before. Also women may be motivated to work if they are a single parent and have to provide for a family?
I don’t think the statistic you quoted supports that women are doing better than men overall. Maybe just working more hours in jobs not many people want to do?
Generally being paid less than their male counterparts in the workplace.

Not wanting to negate any bad experiences of men but also it should be ok for us to speak up about our experiences too.

Poor men - Let’s make a system where they get privilege - oh wait we already have that .....

Really so much wank out there -especially in academia. Jane Clair Jones names it - why do some (insert here some white males) exploit and dominate and what effect does that have?

Asking the right questions helps ....

rufus you are still my favourite poster but floral is sneaking up on you. Love it

The topic is a study about men potentially having a lower quality of life.
Actually my post was really about the back lash taking the form of rubbish studies coming from academia. This new index has a clear objective hence the narrowness of things measured. Take education. Many people have been excluded from education through time, but it is a fact that the group receiving education has always been heavily dominated by men to the extent that institutions forbid the entry of women or devised special forms of suitable education. Women and girls globally are still purposefully discriminated against. Recently i.e. within my lifetime they have started to receive equal education in the UK. The result they do better than boys. How is this a question of boys being oppressed or discriminated against. Yes there is a question mark here but it is complex not just 'poor men'. Personally I think it is rooted in mysoginy - boys can't be seen to do things girls do. You can see it in professions - it attracts a lot of women and suddenly it's less attractive to men and starts to be paid less. Hence the circling the wagons in stem subjects.
There's no measure regarding actual power - who makes the laws, who are the judges, who controls resources.
Anyway this index as a measure for 'gender' equality is rubbish but will be leapt on by all the Jordon P fans as solid evidence that women making progress is an act of war against poor defenceless men who have no alternative but to kill themselves in droves.
Sorry but I'm going out again. It just scares me that this low level stuff is coming out of universities at the moment. It's not just the right it's on the left too.

quentin

Oh god the pressure!!!

Poor men - Let’s make a system where they get privilege - oh wait we already have that

Do we? Seems that it's an elite few who get most of the benefit.

I do think boys are being failed in education. To say that girls just 'do better' is like saying that men just do better in business (maybe they do).

I mean, why is the male suicide rate so high if we live in a male utopia? It just doesn't add up.

The male suicide rate is so high because men choose more violent and more successful means of suicide. they may also be more resistant to getting help when they need to.
Women attempt suicide in the same numbers but don't tend to be as successful.

Women are more prone to depression. Both suicide and depression are very common in abuse survivors.

www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/21/suicide-gender-men-women-mental-health-nick-clegg

When you control for education, no, women do not earn more than men at any age.

Doesn't the earnings gap (I find the term 'wage gap' inaccurate) all but vanish when you start controlling for personal factors like hours worked, career length/breaks, chosen field and qualifications held?

This thread is a case in point, @Imnobody4

It seems sad that the response from some men to genuine issues around men’s welfare is to look at women accusingly. If it is a class issue where some men are privileged and some aren’t, why not fundraise and petition government and big business to be more inclusive to lower class or disadvantaged boys and men?

@EggOfScotland

You clearly consider male suicide rates and educational performance to be serious problems.

Can I ask what practical steps you and the men of your acquaintance are taking to help address these issues?

You clearly consider male suicide rates and educational performance to be serious problems.

Can I ask what practical steps you and the men of your acquaintance are taking to help address these issues?

Raising people's awareness that there is actually a problem is a big part of it.

We see a lot more discussion around 'mansplaining' and men sitting with their legs too far apart than we do about significant numbers of them killing themselves every week. Most people have no idea the male suicide rate is so high and many seem to believe that women suffer more violence.

Raising people's awareness that there is actually a problem is a big part of it.

I see you are avoiding the question, so I'll repeat:

Can I ask what practical steps you and the men of your acquaintance are taking to help address these issues?

And no, rehasing MRA talking points on a Feminism board (like we'e not heard them a zillion times already) does not constitute 'practical steps'.

I think most women on here are aware of the statistics of suicide

More women attempt suicide, its horrific that so many people succeed

.. eggofscotland
Yes I agree it’s good to raise awareness around high male suicide rates in the U.K.

Not sure that comments on a feminist section of a parenting website is the most direct way to get the attention of decision makers in this country.

Unless you’re looking for us to join up with you in raising awareness about men’s issues to government and media etc?

Raising people's awareness that there is actually a problem is a big part of it.
Actually properly understanding the problem is more to the point. Take education - reading has been shown to be an indicator of educational success among boys irrespective of class. I as a librarian have put lots of effort into engaging boys with books. Inviting role models like sportsmen to talk about books they've enjoyed etc.
However there's still an absence of male readers in the lives of working class boys. There is still the prevalent attitude that reading is 'sissy'.
With regard to suicide figures - these are complex. It doesn't follow that men kill themselves because they're badly treated. In fact suicide rates among people in worst conditions is often low e.g. concentration camps, black Americans in the South. Is there a disconnect between expectations and modern reality that causes men pain - possibly. Does that mean women should be sacrificed for the comfort of men - no.
Is it a sense of losing face - suicide following a crisis like in the Wall St crash or 'look what you've made me' do after divorce?

Should we not concern ourselves with supporting men to develop the necessary skills for living in an equal world from childhood?