New gender gap index shows men most disadvantaged

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The backlash continues, I'm starting to get really scared now.

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Entitled “A Simplified Approach to Measuring National Gender Inequality,” authors Gijsbert Stoet from the U.K.’s University of Essex, and David C. Geary from the University of Missouri, contend that the GGGI is unreliable, because it is “biased to highlight women’s issues.” They argue that the GGGI does not measure men’s areas of disadvantage, such as compulsory military service, harsher punishments for the same crime, and workplace deaths — 95 per cent male.

By definition, they say, the GGGI “excludes the possibility that men can be less well off than women – this is because the GGGI focuses on women’s advancement.” As well, they contend that the GGGI uses indicators that are only relevant to elite women, and that the GGGI includes indicators more reflective of choice than of discrimination.

The researchers propose a truly gender-neutral set of metrics for calculating equality scores, named the Basic Index of Gender Inequality (BIGI). BIGI focuses on three factors: educational opportunities (literacy, years of primary and secondary education), healthy life expectancy (years expected to live in good health), and overall life satisfaction which, taken together, are the “minimum ingredients of a good life.”
Stoet and Geary calculated BIGI scores over five years (2012 through 2016) for 134 nations, representing 6.8 billion people. They relied on GGGI reports published by the World Economic Forum and the Gallup World Poll for data. To their surprise, they found that using the BIGI as a yardstick, men are on average disadvantaged in 91 countries, while women are disadvantaged in 43 countries, most of them economically under-developed. Sometimes the deviations from parity are quite small or even negligible, as for example in the case of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Turkey, China and Switzerland.

I just don't see why so many people (both MRAs and feminists) see men's and women's rights as being in competition.

I honestly don't think many feminists do, rather see improving women's and men's rights more as being complementary - leastwise, the sorts of men's rights such as paternity leave, mental health services etc. Which men's rights do think feminists see as in competition with women's rights?

I do accept that, but do you accept that there are also a significant minority of women who aren't feminist and use men to their advantage? The types you see on dating websites who are low earners but want to 'be looked after' and only date rich men.

Of course violent men are much more reprehensible, but there are arseholes of both genders.

Which men's rights do think feminists see as in competition with women's rights?

I think some feminists get enraged when men dare to suggest that they also have many issues and disadvantages. Like the recent thread about male suicide where a poster said "whilst I'm sympathetic about male suicide, I'd love to know how many of those men killed their partners or children before committing suicide."

I've also read a poster expound the opinion that due process should be done away with in rape cases as men commit so much violence they didn't care about the 'collateral damage'. And recently that 'women only have children because their partners pester them to'.

Sadly, I see most of these types of comments on feminist boards, even if they don't represent the majority.

None of that answered my question re your assertion. So ... you've found a few unrepresentative posts on 'feminist boards' ... curious to know which ones, I can't imagine some of those examples going unchallenged on this one.

All of them were from on here. Admittedly, the due process one got a fair few disapproving comments.

I'll happily admit that MRAs are generally a bunch of sad, poisonous individuals. However, if anyone mentions that a fair number of feminists are prejudiced against men it's met with uproar and denial, despite much evidence to the contrary. I guess that's part of my point.

I think it's unhelpful in solving issues which are unlikely to ever be solved by one side alone. However, I also hold the unpopular opinion that there are lots of both feminists and MRAs that just enjoy slinging mud and competing over victim status rather than actually seemingly wanting to make progress.

You’re on FWR so this place is about women’s liberation not men’s. There’s a men’s board somewhere for that. 2nd wave feminism always asserts that when the systemic injustices and stereotypes that disadvantage women are dismantled that many men will benefit as well. It’s just we don’t centre men in our discussions. I don’t understand what contribution you are wanting to make - many women who have been significantly harmed by men still manage to find the depth of emotional capacity to not hate all men- something they could be forgiven for doing given what they have experienced. They are to be commended for that. Let’s focus on that rather than the few who use men - nobody is denying them but they aren’t feminists.

Women aren’t wholesale demanding the death of men nor to take away their autonomy and rights to exist independently, which is routinely imposed on women day in day out.

Men on here are always respected if they listen and learn. It seems to me what you are doing is analogous to a white slave owner telling blacks in the Deep South that some of them are bad people. That may well be true. You may only own 1 slave not 100,000 but the elephant in the room is still there for those who want to see ..

Egg, I want to ask you three questions, and I am happy for you to answer them with just yes and no - so not much effort required. I‘d just like to know where you stand regarding the , sympathy with feminism, finding common ground‘ stuff.

1. do you believe we live in a patriarchy?
2. do you believe the structures of patriarchy are harmful to men?
3. Do you think dismantleing patriarchy is a meaningful objective worth fighting for?

That could clarify a lot.

useschmoozer those links you posted are shocking. The first two places that closed due to being sued by one person, that was sad but

Sorry something happened!
The Glasgow rape crisis centre closing because children in need withdrew their funding because it doesn’t serve male survivors, despite being welcoming to non-binary people and providing counselling to male partners?
Leaving Glasgow with no service now to help victims of rape and their children- that was really shocking, I didn’t realise that children in need now have this criteria.
How is this helping children in need?
Regret getting Christmas cards with proceeds to children in need now!!
I think the petition for the Glasgow centre to be re-owned is still running

www.change.org/p/bbc-children-in-need-reinstate-funding-for-glasgow-clyde-rape-crisis

There is no reason why Glasgow City Council and /or the Scottish Government could not fund Glasgow Rape Crisis. The money needed will be a drop in the ocean from their budgets.

However, if anyone mentions that a fair number of feminists are prejudiced against men it's met with uproar and denial, despite much evidence to the contrary
Are you talking about individual feminists or feminists as a group?
Feminism as a movement doesn't disadvantage men, whereas men's movements like MGTOW certainly do disadvantage women.

As an individual feminist, I would hold my hand up and say I am prejudiced against men in some ways. I'm very wary of them. However, if I'd been bitten by dogs as many times as I've been attacked by men, people would understand if I was wary of dogs. Yet being wary of men is seen as somehow unreasonable.

Men have such sensitive egos.

Quentin - prejudice is: 'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.'
You're not prejudiced, your wariness is because of your experience. I've not had that sort of experience, thankfully, so I'm not particularly wary of men.

Often as not, complaints of feminists being 'prejudiced' against men are basically DARVO.

Wow that’s an amazing brilliant concise summary EJennings

Egg I am broadly in agreement with a lot of your points but I’m sorry mentioning women who go after rich men and violent men who abuse their partners in the same breath is a little offensive.

For one men who fall in with women like that aren’t being forced into it, and there is no fundemental violation going on. A man who beats on his wife/girlfriend is committing a violent and criminal act.

No one. No one is januhairy. You probably thought you had a gotcha there, you don't. Don't bother with the 'nail bar' gotcha either.

You're talking down to women who will swim in a men only pool wearing a lime green mankini and hand knitted beard.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5780623/Female-protesters-break-men-lido-leap-pool.html

I wouldn't credit that first post on FWR from someone who seems to have only started posting today with involving any thought, tbh.

Wow that’s an amazing brilliant concise summary EJennings

Seconded. Excellent, concise description of the core issue EJennings.

Thank you for the education EJennings

Some of the posters here are quite extraordinary (in a good way)