New gender gap index shows men most disadvantaged

[Imnobody4]

The backlash continues, I'm starting to get really scared now.

<a class="break-all" href="https://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-heres-what-happens-when-the-gender-gap-index-is-adjusted-for-bias#click=t.co/rvRvZNbSl2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-heres-what-happens-when-the-gender-gap-index-is-adjusted-for-bias#click=t.co/rvRvZNbSl2
Entitled “A Simplified Approach to Measuring National Gender Inequality,” authors Gijsbert Stoet from the U.K.’s University of Essex, and David C. Geary from the University of Missouri, contend that the GGGI is unreliable, because it is “biased to highlight women’s issues.” They argue that the GGGI does not measure men’s areas of disadvantage, such as compulsory military service, harsher punishments for the same crime, and workplace deaths — 95 per cent male.

By definition, they say, the GGGI “excludes the possibility that men can be less well off than women – this is because the GGGI focuses on women’s advancement.” As well, they contend that the GGGI uses indicators that are only relevant to elite women, and that the GGGI includes indicators more reflective of choice than of discrimination.

The researchers propose a truly gender-neutral set of metrics for calculating equality scores, named the Basic Index of Gender Inequality (BIGI). BIGI focuses on three factors: educational opportunities (literacy, years of primary and secondary education), healthy life expectancy (years expected to live in good health), and overall life satisfaction which, taken together, are the “minimum ingredients of a good life.”
Stoet and Geary calculated BIGI scores over five years (2012 through 2016) for 134 nations, representing 6.8 billion people. They relied on GGGI reports published by the World Economic Forum and the Gallup World Poll for data. To their surprise, they found that using the BIGI as a yardstick, men are on average disadvantaged in 91 countries, while women are disadvantaged in 43 countries, most of them economically under-developed. Sometimes the deviations from parity are quite small or even negligible, as for example in the case of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Turkey, China and Switzerland.

Powerful women are often just as bad (maybe worse)

Just couldn't leave it with 'often just as bad' could you

Not only 'just as bad' but maybe worse!

So there!

yep...told us iced

Women are maybe worse

Should say that on the label

Im getting flashbacks to david brent in the office now

Always give themselves away, don't they!

Its handy to be honest sonic

Ive a dreadful habit of giving people the benefit of the doubt on here

So its nice when its obvious

Just couldn't leave it with 'often just as bad' could you

Well, it's arguably worse to betray women in regard to maternity rights etc if you've been there yourself.

Not one man on this thread is actually engaging with any of the points made

I've addressed several points from the article and several poster's points. However, I have been told off for daring to comment as a male (on a website 'for parents' and in a topic partly focused on men).

But I do disagree with some of the arguments put forward on here, although I'd never try and silence somebody from articulating an opinion. I want to see things improve for both sexes.

However, I have been told off for daring to comment as a male (on a website 'for parents' and in a topic partly focused on men).

What made you think the topic of 'Feminism and Women's Rights' was partly focused on men?

The topic is a study about men potentially having a lower quality of life.

Besides, there are plenty of male feminists.

If you want 'things' to improve for both sexes then you need to identify precisely what the problems are and work out how to solve them.

Women have done this and its been a hard, unrelenting slog of fundraising and fighting for space. Women spent decades building networks of domestic violence shelters and rape crisis support - its all being taken over.
Its now for all people; and that means its not available for the women and children who are at most risk of dying.

You have no fucking idea what its like to see all that work taken away, then watch men rock up and demand we sort out all the problems.

this thread is about the orchestrated backlash against feminism and womens basic human rights.
As for male feminists, I'll believe they exist when I see them fundraising instead of policing women online and calling it activism.

I also fail to see how a method of analysis that reveals men are disadvantaged in a great many areas is, and then talking about men is a derail...

Besides I don't think anyone is arguing that women aren't disadvantaged, or that any of this is inherently women's fault either. There seems to be this worrying trend that you have to be on "team man" or "team woman", and if you happen to voice an opinion of support of either you're suddenly the "baddie" to the other team!

I'm personally a little sick of this extremist rhetoric, you can both simultaneously care and want to do something about workplace deaths, and want to see domestic violence end. They are not mutually exclusive positions unless you are terminally hard of thinking!

You have no fucking idea what its like to see all that work taken away, then watch men rock up and demand we sort out all the problems.

Which men are saying that? IME most men don't know much about feminism.

I don't think it's helpful to perpetuate the myth that men 'have it easy', however, especially when acknowledged that it's only a few who are bumping up the class.

I don't benefit from people like Donald Trump holding lots of power. If anything it makes it harder for individual men to address issues when faced with 'but men are the ones in charge'.

you can both simultaneously care and want to do something about workplace deaths, and want to see domestic violence end. They are not mutually exclusive positions unless you are terminally hard of thinking!

Indeed.

What you describe is likely why so many women would rather say they believe in 'equal rights'.

However, I have been told off for daring to comment as a male

I dont think you have

There are men who comment on here and no one tells them off

I think it might be what you were saying...not what you are

Who told you off though...i think i missed it so i dont know what you were saying that got you 'told off'

Some men have it tough. Yes.

Nearly every woman has an experience of sexual assault or harassment. Nearly every woman has felt that fear every time they walk alone in the dark. Nearly every woman has that fear of pregnancy and what comes with that.

Saying you don't think there is any value in class analysis and that it's reasonable to ignore all of these experiences women have and focus solely on where men feel disadvantaged is not likely to be taken as a good faith position to come here to "debate".

Yawn, now we're onto the "this is why women don't want to be feminists". You couldn't be more transparent if you tried.

And i think imnobody started the thread due to her fear of a backlash against women

Not to discuss any disadvantages men may have

And before anyone jumps in i dont want anyone disadvantaged

Well actually didn't Erin Pizzey the woman who setup the first women's refuge then set out to do the same for men, only to gain abuse, harassment and threats from feminists? It's not as black and white proposition as you make out.

Who told you off though...i think i missed it so i dont know what you were saying that got you 'told off'

"Yes some men may be disadvantaged by society. Feel free to discuss elsewhere without trying to highjack somewhere where disadvantages so inherent to being a woman are discussed."

I'm apparently not allowed to discuss the topic in hand because this website 'for parents' is actually for women.

And I've definitely seen FWR posters posting in the Dadsnet section...

They didnt say anything about mumsnet as a whole did they?

You assumed they meant mumsnet as opposed to FWR

Someone else suggested that the feminism board wasnt the right place to talk about how disadvantaged men are compared to women

Try starting a thread in aibu or chat perhaps...or maybe dadsnet

To be fair they might have meant that you should find somewhere not mumsnet to discuss it...but thats not what they said

Obvious cross post

Saying you don't think there is any value in class analysis and that it's reasonable to ignore all of these experiences women have and focus solely on where men feel disadvantaged is not likely to be taken as a good faith position to come here to "debate".

But I didn't actually say that at all. I'm a bit surprised that you would try and put words into my mouth when my actual posts are there for everyone to read and quite clearly not saying the above!

But don't let the truth get in the way...

Go on

Start a thread off FWR and im sure everyone on this thread will pop on

I will, unless ive gone to bed

Oh that's ironic