Misgendered and violent

[yiskasha]

I know it's from the Daily Mail, but I can't find anyone else reporting on it. I've never seen a woman tell a man to "take it outside" or aggressively kick a display down because they've accidentally been called "sir"... (hope the link works).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6536045/Furious-transgender-woman-rages-store-clerk-calls-sir-instead-maam.html

Presenting as you wish (within the cultural constraints of decency) is fine.
Having whatever orientation or paraphilia is fine so long as it doesn't impact on anyone who isn't a freely consenting adult.

Trans women shouldn't be held to the same rules & customs of decorum, manners, etiquette, kindness, consideration & good behaviour towards others that the rest us all follow?

I saw someone make this argument:

Feminists are saying this transwoman is showing 'male aggression'.

That is clearly sexism against 'cis' women, who're expected to be docile. Instead of transwomen being less aggressive and violent, 'cis women' should be more!

Coming here as another thread on this topic has been deleted by HQ - as we can’t have more than one apparently. Not something applied to other topics imo but ho hum.

I wonder how restrained the new rules HQ will lay down are going to be?

Coming here as another thread on this topic has been deleted by HQ - as we can’t have more than one apparently. Not something applied to other topics imo but ho hum.

Duplicate threads can be a nuisance. Rather than deleting (other than in the case of spam/trolling, obv) given that the content can diverge wouldn't it be better to close all but one to further comments, and put links to and from the survivor?

Outrageous that discussion on the other thread has been silenced. No doubt by a huge amount of wittering from people who are not MNetters, who do not want to use the site, have no interest in anything about the site, other than their feeling of entitlement and arrogance in policing what women are allowed to say and to try their best to control them.

The sole reason for the wittering on this matter is to try and control and prevent sharing of information and truth, because it's inconvenient to the narrative. It's tough when people see the truth and it isn't pretty, but being complicit in covering it up is far worse.

HQ really need a way to merge threads.

Errol I don’t buy it. If people are happily talking on more than one thread, let them. I’m on two bullet journal threads, I would frankly eat my bullet journal if someone from HQ appeared and said they were deleting one, it would never happen.

Duplicate threads can be a nuisance. Rather than deleting (other than in the case of spam/trolling, obv) given that the content can diverge wouldn't it be better to close all but one to further comments, and put links to and from the survivor?

This seems by far the better solution rather than arbitrarily deleting all the posts contained on one thread and leaving those on another.

As threads can often weave in different directions, some interesting comments will have been lost.

I don't buy it either (and sometimes threads diverge to the point they're really not duplicates at all) , but I think my suggestion is better than randomly deleting 'duplicates' and I can't see why there should be any reason not to do this. They can stop further posting, it's easy enough to put in links to and from closed and continuing thread, so I don't think there can be a technical reason not to do this.

I don't buy it either (and sometimes threads diverge to the point they're really not duplicates at all)

This has happened when the subject of a thread in FWR has also been picked up in AIBU. The original FWR thread was deleted. The two boards are different and so there were substantive differences in posts.

Seems to more often happen when it is alleged that threads are focussed on an individual.

Adding my voice to "I don't buy it, either".

Linking the fact they are trans to being a complete dick doesnt help anyone. It stirs up resentment towards transgender and transsexual people. I get it ... noone likes the current mess that is the law over TG but we target that at changing the system not at individual's.

Threads like this should be removed as MNHQ have been doing. The sole purpose of a video like this is to provide ammunition.

Presumably reports based on similar arguments to this lead to perceived as duplicate threads being deleted?

I reported my post upthread (14:36) and asked:
'Would closing and linking be possible instead of deletion if there are duplicates which aren't breaking guidelines? Deleting whole threads is a bit heavy handed and annoying to people who spent time posting on the randomly wrong thread.'

Just got a reply:

^ Hello there, ErrolTheDragon,

Thanks for mailing in with your thoughts here - we'll certainly give them consideration for future threads. While we take these things on a case-by-case basis, we tend to remove duplicate threads as they invariably get reported by users who find them annoying. At present, there's two threads running about this issue and we felt any more than that was a bit much tbh - and quite confusing for other users. Though of course we appreciate it's irritating to those invested on a thread which is zapped. ^

Hum... well, I find 'duplicates' (similar, not identical OPs) annoying and occasionally confusing but I don't think I've ever felt the need to report any.

Hum... well, I find 'duplicates' (similar, not identical OPs) annoying and occasionally confusing but I don't think I've ever felt the need to report any.

Usually someone will post a link early on to the thread already running. Happens quite frequently with threads based on newspaper articles etc when titles are ambiguous. I don't see many of the threads deleted unless the OP says they will request it.

Strange to report for being annoying. Not aware that's usually an effective cause to report. MNHQ would be handling a massive number of reports should that become commonplace across the site.

And lets be honest duplicate threads wouldn't have happened if the original one wasn't deleted.

It's the 'optics', innit? MNHQ are attempting to keep a neutral line and someone has decided that too many threads about an odious hairtrigger-tempered bully looks like condoning transphobia. And it's an isolated incident, and scaremongering, and this never happens etc.

Honestly, back pats and flowers and gin to MNHQ and all that for the pain in the arse modding they have to do, but 't'ain't us berating scared retail staff and advocating violence against others for using the wrong pronoun, and 'false equivalence' springs to mind.

'Irritating' when a conversation you're invested in is deleted because other people choose to report it as 'annoying', rather than say, just using their 'hide thread' button. Or not policing other people..... yes, just a tad irritating.

There is a belief that repeating, sharing or in any way doing other than actively concealing any information, no matter how relevant or in the public interest, regarding trans people that could be perceived negatively is 'transphobic'. I don't share it.

Tiffany’s profile picture has changed since yesterday. Interesting.

I’m intrigued that Transgender News doesn’t delete (well, hasn’t yet deleted) opposing viewpoints - unlike, eg, Momentum

Good for them!

I still don't get is all this stuff about 'trans people being erased' and 'denying my existence'. This kind of language really doesn't help anyone.

Surely no one wants trans people erased? And they quite clearly 'exist' - they are not like Father Christmas! I can see them with my own eyes.

I'm more than happy for trans women and trans men to exist - but a male can never become a male and a male can never become a female. Why is that so difficult for some people to accept?

a male can never become a male and a male can never become a female.

This is confusing, is it a typo, if not you will need to explain a bit more?

This is confusing, is it a typo, if not you will need to explain a bit more?

It's New Year's Eve. It's probably the booze.

:) I've started early

a female can never become a male

a male can never become a female

Yep, I can definitely tell that's a lady in the updated profile picture, they're wearing a pink jumper.