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Jeremy Corbyn just called Theresa May "stupid woman"

619 replies

Bejazzled · 19/12/2018 12:56

And he did it with the most derogatory angry expression on his face.

FFS

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Usernumbers1234 · 19/12/2018 16:06

you don’t get it do you. You can be against austerity and think corbyn is an incompetent ignorant liar as well you know.

impossiblecat · 19/12/2018 16:08

@starcrossedseahorse

Brexit May well shaft the country. Austerity is killing people and we're going to lose the NHS.

I don't give a flying fuck if the leader of the Labour Party called May a bad word. Or even if he gave her a dirty look.

Perspective.

bellinisurge · 19/12/2018 16:08

Well then Corbyn should get off his arse and fight to avoid No Deal. If necessary, say "I was stupid to say such a stupid thing, I sincerely apologise. I feel passionately and I said something ill advised. I've learned a good lesson about being civil". Do what it takes. He won't, though.

PreseaCombatir · 19/12/2018 16:08

Food on the table and food banks has got absolutely nothing to do with this though. It’s about Corbyn calling May a stupid woman. You’re allows no your dislike of may to make Corbyn a misogyny more palatable. Whether you like her or not has no bearing on what he said, and how he’s now blatantly lying about it

JSmitty · 19/12/2018 16:08

I am no Corbyn fan. His attempt to defend his anti-semitic comment about Jews lacking a sense of humour was unacceptable. But on this one I see insufficient evidence to convict.

He was mumbling rather than ennunciating and so his version of events is entirely plausible and no amount of lip-reading can say otherwise.

I am also suspicious of how come so many Tory MPs seem to have noticed this and were so certain about what they saw. After May's disgraceful attempt to deflect from her Brexit cowardice with a pantomime routine, this is par for the course.

I'm With Dame Margaret A'Beckett on this one:

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1075381558314438656

Freespeecher · 19/12/2018 16:09

Can the defence spread over ten pages (and counting) be summed up as 'He never said it! He said stupid people! And even if he said stupid woman, so what? She is a stupid woman!' I'm not sure this line will make it all go away.

If he and his ilk can learn one thing from the Blairites surely it's not to give your opponent an easy 'out', whatever the rights and wrongs are. Corbyn's just not a serious politician. Team May can now focus on this for a day or so rather than No Deal, confidence votes etc.

Usernumbers1234 · 19/12/2018 16:10

Impossiblecat

How are we playing party politics, every Tory I know would be devastated if Corbyn was forced out. People aren’t jumping on this for that reason.

It’s a minor issue compared to Brexit, the economy, the state of the welfare state, but it shouldn’t be ignored simply because of that, not should he be allowed to blindly lie to the public.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 19/12/2018 16:10

For a man who pins his entire persona on a trusty old gent, just on a break from his allotment.....he has irreversibly damaged his career by LYING IN PARLIAMENT!

Usernumbers1234 · 19/12/2018 16:11

The irony is of course impossiblecat, if corbyn wasn’t such a feeble and incompetent leader he could have swung Brexit with one tweet and he chose not to.

FatherBuzzCagney · 19/12/2018 16:15

You can be against austerity and think corbyn is an incompetent ignorant liar as well you know.

You can be a member of the Labour Party and think that about Corbyn - I am and I do.

PreseaCombatir · 19/12/2018 16:16

Basically the defence is ‘he didn’t say it, and if he did say it then she deserved it anyway’

starcrossedseahorse · 19/12/2018 16:17

The irony is of course impossiblecat, if corbyn wasn’t such a feeble and incompetent leader he could have swung Brexit with one tweet and he chose not to

Yup.

DioVelazquez · 19/12/2018 16:17

Basically the defence is ‘he didn’t say it, and if he did say it then she deserved it anyway'

Or that it's not particularly offensive and people are blowing it out of proportion because that's politics for you.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 19/12/2018 16:18

It’s not only the “bad word”.

Ifhe’s said it, then he should own it, not trying to pretend he said something else. That’s even worse.

Justanotherlurker · 19/12/2018 16:21

we're going to lose the NHS.

Absolute hyperbolic whataboutism.

PreseaCombatir · 19/12/2018 16:22

Or that it's not particularly offensive and people are blowing it out of proportion because that's politics for you
So why is he lying about it?

So it’s now ‘he didn’t said, if he said it, she deserved it, and anyway, it’s not even a big deal anyway, because you know, politics and food banks and BREXIT’

Usernumbers1234 · 19/12/2018 16:26

It’s not “particularly offensive”, it’s a nasty contradiction to his desire to get more women in politics, but yes I’m sure much worse has been said in and around the house.

Nor are people blowing it out of proportion, nobody’s demanding he resigns, just admits he said it and apologises.

People who lean right see this as an annoying distraction from important matters, and let’s be honest, they won’t be debating it in the house tomorrow. This is now in the court of public opinion, personally I think if he apologised quickly this is all good PR for him, he’s certainly scored points with a section of society. But now he just looks like a daft liar.

I maintain the defence “he said people” is absolute nonsense and only gains him political capital with Momentum members, which is pointless as they would have supported him if he sat there throwing shit at her screaming you evil bitch.

I don’t like Corbyn, but I don’t think he’s a misogynist. He could have explained this as an ill considered mumble and it would have been over by 2pm.

SillySallySingsSongs · 19/12/2018 16:27

Or that it's not particularly offensive and people are blowing it out of proportion because that's politics for you.

Or more like some think JC is some sort of God that can never do wrong and if he does it is perfectly justifiable.

DioVelazquez · 19/12/2018 16:28

PreseaCombatir

I don't really understand what your point is. Do you think that if you put all the opinions that you didn't agree with into one sentence it makes you look clever and makes those that disagree with you look stupid? Should we just not post in this thread if our opinion is different to yours?

DioVelazquez · 19/12/2018 16:29

Or more like some think JC is some sort of God that can never do wrong and if he does it is perfectly justifiable.

That's probably true, but I haven't seen many of those people on this thread, tbh.

starcrossedseahorse · 19/12/2018 16:32

I am not so sure that he is not a misogynist tbh.

TheGoddessFrigg · 19/12/2018 16:34

If you're not a misogynist - don't act like one. And I have been around party politics long enough to know that you can worry about two or even more things at once. We are women- we can multi task!

starcrossedseahorse · 19/12/2018 16:36

Indeed. He certainly has form for misogyny on other issues.

scallopsrgreat · 19/12/2018 16:37

Casual sexism never is a big deal is it. There will always be something more important to worry about. Honestly, women must understand their place in society.

And you know women are a bit stupid really. Especially that Theresa May. Who does she think she is? There she is representing the whole of womankind and she comes out with statements and opinions which just aren’t up to scratch. It’s because of women like her which that we were (and still are in many parts of the world) denied access to education and resources. It’s only the benevolence of left leaning folk like Corbyn that have had the graciousness to allow us to have opinions and thoughts of our own. We should be grateful really.

I’m hoping ManWhoHasItAll will be doing a take on this shortly to amplify why it is sexist and why it does matter.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 19/12/2018 16:37

Junker can flip a woman's hair, Jeremy can call women stupid.....but they are forgiven for being 'lefty' luvvies.