Are women hated because we are weak?

[CrazyToast]

I'm sure there's been a thread about this before but I am wondering again- why do we hate women?

Straight men hate women.
Women often seem to hate women.
Transwomen often seem to hate women.
Gay men often often seem to hate women.

Why? What is it about us which is so detestable?

Is it because we are seen as weak due to femininity? Our reliance on men? That we have not contributed as much to society as men allegedly?

Is because women can have children and men can't?

Is it because straight men want sex with us so much and we control that?

ScottCheggJnr aren't all children raised by a single parent disadvantaged compared to those raised by two parents because of the reduced child-parent contact imposed by the need to provide for said child(ren)?

Likely, but the mother is the principle parental influence for a lot of boys who turn out to be violent men. It's not hard to see how this might happen if women take the view that there's no point in trying as they're powerless.

Also, there are already many women doing an amazing job in combating male violence - in law enforcement, the court, charitable sector, etc. It's just as well they didn't shrug their shoulders and leave it to the men.

I just don't understand why the ones who complain the loudest seem also to be the ones who are the least willing to do anything about it.

ScottCheggJnr, considering you're posting on Mumsnet, I'm not sure your statistics/opinions are going to be terribly well received.

I'm not talking about mums in general - I'm not a strong believer of class analysis.

I'm talking about feminists (minority of women) who claim that they're powerless and the problem is for men to sort (as opposed to society).

I do not wish to speak on behalf of others but my interpretation of that notion from what I would class as a minority of feminists is not that they are feel powerless but that they feel it is not their responsibility.

Women are hated because women are beautiful and strong.

That's why we are in the sixth extinction period. Beautiful and strong insects, animals and flora all on the brink on extinction because some ugly men choose to demolish this beauty.

Also a bit fhmm at the claim a man with a jail sentence for sexual assault, battery or rape can simply "start again" with his head "held high". This is false. Usually any criminal conviction will torpedo your chances of securing good employment unless you are otherwise insulated

He’s a multi- millionaire so...

Also in the news, banker bludgeons a woman to death. While googling these, case after case, of male violence against women.

I just don't understand why the ones who complain the loudest seem also to be the ones who are the least willing to do anything about it

The ones who complain the loudest about male violence don’t do anything about it? Is that what you mean?

Women are hated because women are beautiful and strong.

That's why we are in the sixth extinction period. Beautiful and strong insects, animals and flora all on the brink on extinction because some ugly men choose to demolish this beauty.

Erm.......riiiiiiiiiiggght

NURSE!!!

What on earth have single parents got to do with men wielding most of the powerful positions for most of recorded history across most cultures?

I’m not talking about feeling empowered, I’m talking about actual power to change actual things through legislation etc. Not all men have that power, but generally that power lies in the hands of men.

If it is true that men who were brought up by single mums tend to be more violent/criminal, surely that’s likely to be because such single parent families are more likely to live in poverty than their dual parented counterparts?

PanGalaticGargleBlaster

I didn’t think this was literally just about the men that are physically violent towards women. I think that’s interesting how some posters interpret it through the lens of physical power and the violence you can cause with that. It also reframes what people like me are saying to make it look like we’re being mean to men who have no political capital and that we’re being lazy because we’re not getting off our arses and down to the dv shelter. I was talking about the great and the good that own the resources and wield the power.

Women are not weaker then men. Even physically women’s bodies are better at fighting disease and last longer. Mentally women seem to be able to cope with more shifts thrown at them then men.

Even physically women’s bodies are better at fighting disease and last longer. Mentally women seem to be able to cope with more shifts thrown at them then men.

This is an interesting biological difference. Specifically, women don't exactly have stronger immune systems overall but their immune systems degrade less with advancing age. The mental aspect is equally interesting, the intellectual spread for men is wider than women, there are more geniuses as well as more idiots in the male population.

Evolutionarily, this makes sense. Male cognitive variability is less detrimental to the production of adult offspring than it would be in females, in the sense that a father who comes up with a novel way of hunting mammoths might help their children thrive but the child of an idiot who hunts mammoths by taunting them with a soft stick might still have their children live to reproduce if the mother is able to provide sufficient food. This also accounts for the greater physical strength of men, if women held the advantage they would be more likely to go on risky hunts.

Mentally women seem to be able to cope with more shifts thrown at them then men.

Are you able to back up this claim?

Men work about 40% more overtime than women as a class last time I checked, and there are more men doing the types of jobs which require 12 hour days (non-office jobs like driving, technical, construction, etc). Nurses being the obvious exception.

"Straight men hate women.
Women often seem to hate women.
Transwomen often seem to hate women.
Gay men often often seem to hate women."

First of all, that's sexist, transphobic and homophobic.
Second of all, I would like you to display factual evidence from an UNBIASED, TRUSTWORTHY AND PRIMARY source that states ANY of this is true.
Third of all, I wish you would stop blaming men for all of your problems. Most men are NOT sexist, sex-driven pigs. The sexist society of the fifties is gone and sexism is a lot more subtle and less common. Get that through your head.
Fourth of all, many of the replies to this post are "Oh, women are strong." Um, yeah, no shit. But that doesn't mean that other genders (yes, I said other genders seeing as there is more than two) are weak.
While I do support equal rights, I wish that people would relie on facts instead of their own discriminatory opinions.

My username is "LogicPlease" for a reason.

I think men who hate women generally do so because they see women have so much power - the opposite of weak. I think in some cases it triggers their own feelings of inadequacy and weakness.

Women have;

Power to attract male attention
Power to refuse that male attention
Power to make that male feel deprived/not good enough
Power to create life and give birth to children
Power to be equal and be lawfully treated as an equal to men (uk)
Power to work and earn well in careers alongside men
Power to trap men into fatherhood
Power to decide over pregnancy/termination
Power to trap men into jail with false rape claims
Power to be a sex appealing temptress but unobtainable to weak, unattractive or unwealthy men
Power to say no

Some men want all the power so they destroy the threat.

The recent press reports on the Natalie Connolly murder case is a prime example of a woman hating, vile, misogynistic male.

After finding out she was possibly messaging other men, smashed her eye from its socket, sprayed her face in bleach and rammed a carpet cleaning bottle inside her vagina. Probably in punishment at her being a 'dirty bitch' of course.

She was left in a horrifically exposed degrading position overnight like a piece of trash he obviously saw her as.

I'm glad I don't have a daughter.

Drug addict Anne Marie Wallpoured boiling water over.the genitals of a 'defenceless' 61yo man during a robbery in which the intention was to secure money to buy drugs.

Does this.prove that women hate men? No, it's just the actions of one nutter like the story above.

You're massively missing the point.

The case you are referring to had two co-accused, a male and a female. I'm not sure why you only mentioned the female and failed to mention the male.

Steven Khan and Anne Marie Wall left their victim in agony as scalding hot water was poured from a kettle on to his genitals.

Also, this female didn't target her victim because of his sex, she targeted him for money because the three of them were known associates and led a chaotic drug/drink fuelled existence.

I can't see how any of it bears any correlation to how men target and abuse women.

To rape and kill that is, not for the contents of their handbag.

I just don't understand why the ones who complain the loudest seem also to be the ones who are the least willing to do anything about it

What did you mean Scott?

I don’t understand why you’d come on a women's rights chat forum when you clearly at best hold a massive disdain for any woman anywhere who is not utterly subservient to the concept that men are just better than women and we should be grateful for that. It’s both fallacious and incredibly tiresome.

It is fascinating.

‘I’ll go on the feminist section of mn and tell them what they’re doing wrong’ said no normal guy ever.

Weak? We are powerful. Maybe that's the issue.