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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

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QuietContraryMary · 14/12/2018 08:13

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" Big businesses helped kill the Texas bathroom bill two years ago, targeting it as discriminatory and unnecessary.

They said the legislation, which would have required Texans to use the restrooms that match their sex at birth, would have hampered efforts to woo new companies to the state and turned off convention planners and sports leagues looking at venues for events.

Now, some companies are doubling down on that commitment, citing diversity and inclusivity as factors in their decisions. Apple made this clear Thursday, when it announced a $1 billion investment in the capital city.

The bathroom bill, or something like it, may be back when state lawmakers meet in 2019. But opponents of these restroom regulations say the business community will again give them the ammunition they need to shoot down such divisive legislation.

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KindOfAGeek · 14/12/2018 14:35

You discuss all that in a toilet? Insanity.

You REALLY have never gone to the loo with a friend or colleague have you?

Men don't gossip in the men's room in your world. Women don't discuss things in the women's room.

If, for example, a woman I worked with was visibly upset about a male colleague making a ribald remark about her body, I wouldn't follow her into the ladies to encourage her to contact HR .... in your world. In your world, she would just go home and cry.

We could set up another sex segregated room for things like that, I suppose, but then men would be insisting they needed access to that as well.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 14/12/2018 14:36

Of course

Lesbians who don't like dick in them for sex are genitally obsessed
Women who say hold on won't this mean even more chaps wanking at us all over the shop are creepy because WOAH you spend your time imagining chaps wanking?

It's all good stuff but completely disconnected from the reality of life. For men and women and sex crimes.

The suggstion that women should be more worried about what female prisoners do to each other than what bedicked rapists will do if put in with them is a case in point.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 14/12/2018 14:37

The interesting thing here is that the justificaiton is that going with the men is out because men are violent and rapey.

So which is it?

A: Only one type of womans safety matters, and it's not the cunty sort. Same old same old.

BlindYeo · 14/12/2018 14:41

Perhaps we should rename it Men's Entitlement Activism.

I don't really like gracing their campaigning with the word 'rights'.

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/12/2018 14:46

Point 2. Read the mermaids and all sorts guidance for schools. Read the UK safeguarding framework. Note the points of contradiction.

What do you mean by ‘allowing men to transition has no impact.’? Of course it does unless SEX based rights are clarified. If a woman is anyone who feels like one, then ‘woman’ is meaningless and any laws that prevent disadvantage based on sex are moot

It’s not that women have rights that men don’t - of course it isn’t Hmm it’s about discriminating against women. The bulk of that happens because of SEX. Of biology. A woman’s right to safety is compromised by making single sex facilities mixed sex.

Point four: you’re not concerned that a convicted rapist and child abuser *with previous for using ‘I’m a woman’ to get into a locked women’s psych ward and rape a woman’ was put in a women’s jail? A jail that had a mum and baby unit? Because ‘women do worse?’ Okidoki.

5: I didnt suggest transgirls are a danger. You did. Im saying that Male predators (I’m not even talking about people identifying as the opposite sex, I’m talking about men who will use this loophole) can now access girls where they couldnt before. And they will.

  1. Of you’d like to discuss the impacts of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones I’m happy to do so. It’s fairly horrific.
An academic from Bristol uni among others is pushing for children to have legally recognised genders and to be legally recognised in their gender earlier. Mermaids et al say children are competent from age five. They are not. And doing so will have consequences for safeguarding

There are serious concerns for the safety of women and children here.

Ahhh... and if it’s Male violence transwomen fear, then its men who need to shape up. Why are men not told to be less violent?

Why is making toilets mixed sex making anyone safer? It isn’t. Using your argument a man could just follow a transwoman on anyway.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 14/12/2018 14:49

There are very good reasons why women fought long and hard for spaces away from men. Spaces where they can be certain their privacy, dignity and safety will not be infringed on by men. Remember those men who perpetrate 98% of all sexual offences? We do. And we're not having men in our lavs, or our changing-rooms, hospital wards, prisons, rape-crisis centres or refuges. I'd be prepared to do absolutely anything it takes to ensure it, so be warned!

FamousPJ · 14/12/2018 14:50

You REALLY have never gone to the loo with a friend or colleague have you?

... No, I haven't, because I'm not gay and the idea of urinating in the company of another man is really weird to me.

Men don't gossip in the men's room in your world. Women don't discuss things in the women's room.

Not in my world, in the real world. The full extent of my conversations in the toilet is "hello."

If, for example, a woman I worked with was visibly upset about a male colleague making a ribald remark about her body, I wouldn't follow her into the ladies to encourage her to contact HR .... in your world. In your world, she would just go home and cry.

Your workplace sounds horrible if you work with men like that. I am sorry that your colleagues are such unpleasant people.

Personally, if I saw someone upset by something, I would discuss it with them... In a quiet space or a short corridor. Not in a room where people are urinating or defecating.

We could set up another sex segregated room for things like that, I suppose, but then men would be insisting they needed access to that as well.

What? Why are sex segregated rooms needed in a work place? Are you in primary school or what? Do you live in Saudi Arabia where men and women need to be kept apart?

The example you gave isn't even relevant to the idea of having sex segregated rooms. A male colleague is every bit as capable as a female colleague of comforting a sexually harassed woman and reporting it. You don't need sex segregated areas for a victim of sexual harassment to be helped.

BlindYeo · 14/12/2018 14:51

No dicks in the female loos.

KindOfAGeek · 14/12/2018 14:52

The example you gave isn't even relevant to the idea of having sex segregated rooms

There is a STRONG possibility you're just a fool.

FamousPJ · 14/12/2018 14:53

There are very good reasons why women fought long and hard for spaces away from men. Spaces where they can be certain their privacy, dignity and safety will not be infringed on by men.

That's a version of history which simply didn't happen and has no basis in reality. Men and women, in ancient history, always had separate spaces, and in fact, the need for such spaces disappears as a society becomes more modern and liberal. How many ancient religious temples have separate areas for men and women? I seriously doubt that women "fought" for those spaces within those religious groups.

KindOfAGeek · 14/12/2018 14:55

Attention LADIES!!!

Misogyny, sexism and abuse HAVE NOW DISAPPEARED because things are now MODERN!!

AspieAndProud · 14/12/2018 14:56

No dicks in the female loos.

And no penises either.

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/12/2018 14:57

he need for such spaces disappears as a society becomes more modern and liberal.

Iy would disappear if men as a class posed no danger to women. They still do. So no men in women’s spaces.

AspieAndProud · 14/12/2018 14:58

Men and women, in ancient history, always had separate spaces, and in fact, the need for such spaces disappears as a society becomes more modern and liberal.

That’s great news.

Where’s my jet pack?

FloralBunting · 14/12/2018 14:58

Bloody hell. Oh for one day in my life where a man doesn't think he can come along and talk uninformed shite about something he knows nothing about and will not affect him.

Your cock isn't an all access pass to every discussion. Ffs.

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/12/2018 14:59

pj couple of question for you, if you would?

  1. Can humans change sex?

2.why do we have single sex provisions for things like prisons, toilets, etc?

AspieAndProud · 14/12/2018 14:59

What part of No! don’t you understand?

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 14/12/2018 15:00

"That's a version of history which simply didn't happen and has no basis in reality."

OK then, you tell me the precise year public lavs were available to women in this country.

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/12/2018 15:02

OK then, you tell me the precise year public lavs were available to women in this country.

And while you google, ask why all the aid and development agencies push for single sex sanitary provision.

AspieAndProud · 14/12/2018 15:09

I think we are being far to polite.

Nobody owes men an explanation of why they shouldn’t be in the ladies toilets.

Those who least understand the need for boundaries are the least likely to respect them when you explain it to them.

Most men recognise instinctively that violating women’s spaces is creepy.

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/12/2018 15:12

Oh yes aspie. But I doubt we change the poster’s mind - we talk to those lurking on the boards.

Which is why there’s been a 12 fold increase in traffic landing on feminism.

Posters telling a board full of women why they shouldn’t have private spaces does our job for us. Carry on, chaps!

AspieAndProud · 14/12/2018 15:16

I doubt if most men want to share a toilet with men who want to share toilets with women either.

Creepy is creepy.

JellySlice · 14/12/2018 15:23

The Mansplainer has landed.

*Men don't gossip in the men's room in your world. Women don't discuss things in the women's room.

Not in my world, in the real world. The full extent of my conversations in the toilet is "hello."*

You feel the need to dictate how women should behave, and disbelieve that women's needs may differ to yours.

Personally, if I saw someone upset by something, I would discuss it with them... In a quiet space or a short corridor.

In a quiet space or a short corridor like the handwash area of the ladies' loos. Durr.

AspieAndProud · 14/12/2018 15:25

Maybe they should fit sinks and paper towel dispensers in corridors for people who are upset.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/12/2018 15:26

I thought the lack of chatting to a mate in the bogs was one of two things

  1. Poster is male
  1. Poster has no friends

I'm pleased its the first

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