Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

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" Big businesses helped kill the Texas bathroom bill two years ago, targeting it as discriminatory and unnecessary.

They said the legislation, which would have required Texans to use the restrooms that match their sex at birth, would have hampered efforts to woo new companies to the state and turned off convention planners and sports leagues looking at venues for events.

Now, some companies are doubling down on that commitment, citing diversity and inclusivity as factors in their decisions. Apple made this clear Thursday, when it announced a $1 billion investment in the capital city.

The bathroom bill, or something like it, may be back when state lawmakers meet in 2019. But opponents of these restroom regulations say the business community will again give them the ammunition they need to shoot down such divisive legislation.

Well off you toddle and let them know then. It's clear no one here gives a toss what you have to say. You are rambling on in the usual angry adolescent way, as if it's some outrage that people don't intend on playing along with gender identity shite. It really isn't. Very few people really give a shit about trans rights. We give a shit about our right to privacy and honestly, your teenage wank here just reinforces why. You ignore the word no. That makes you an abuser.

Famous PJ, are you an Apple PR person? If so you are convincing me not to buy their products.

I am middle aged and slightly overweight. I do not want to share a changing room with someone who looks physically like a man. I would feel uncomfortable. I know I am not the only one. If Apple wish to deny me access to single sex toilets/changing facilities so be it. They are more powerful than me, and money talks. However I do not need their PR people lecturing me on what I feel comfortable with and what no

Do you people know that silicon valley tech companies in the heart of california have a reputation for having a heavy "liberal" bias? They're full of the type of men who boast about calling themselves feminists.

This policy from Apple, without a doubt, came from a group of men and women who call themselves feminists. It's funny, because I wonder what their reaction would be if they read this thread. Would they still call themselves feminists? Yeah, probably not.

No one hates a feminist more than a different kind of feminist it seems.

Well after a couple of millennia of "male-centred standards" we could certainly give it a red hot go and see what happens.

Or you know, we could have a society that's neither male centric or female centric.

Just a crazy idea coming from a so-called "prick" on these message boards.

PJ

Can humans change sex?

I think you missed the point completely

Less than one a year (total 7 or 8 I believe) is a far smaller rate of murder than 2 a week.

More trans people have murdered people than have been murdered.

The suicide stats are bull too.

Typical abuse tactic.

Do what I want or I will kill myself

We are saying NO.

You Do realise that one wrong word or action and you will be on the doxx/piss up your door list too!

Don't get too cocky they turn on all their allies eventually

Dull dull dull

Repetion of the word logical. Tedious maths. It really is a certain type isn't it?

Hiding this one now, it's too full of pathetic spite to even laugh at.

How many boxes of Kleenex are we up to?

That's just the most lovely idea PJ, but men as a sex class are violent and women as a sex class are overwhelmingly vulnerable to such violence, so until the menz can sort themselves out women need sex based protections.

Some evidence here, much more posted all over FWR if you care to engage: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger-8lwbp8kgk

Ps your numbers are wrong.

On the contrary, transwomen are the victims of high levels of violence from men, far moreso than biological women. Good to see they have your sympathy.

Male violence is a very serious issue, male pattern abuse and violence patterns remain similar regardless of gender identity.
Men need to deal with this.

Male violence, sexual assault, and coercive control against females remains widespread and must be recognised for what it is, male-pattern abuse.

Mumsnet & Women's Aid recent video about coercive control:

Women need single sex spaces for safety, privacy and dignity.

I'm not dancing either, but I just wanted to say that no decent man would even think about pushing their way into women's spaces. And that includes transwomen.

PJ I doubt many Silicon Valley types are feminist.

DC went to a very academic central London school with plenty of very bright techie types. (There were eight Harvard acceptances in DDs year alone, who presumably will be studying with the Silicon Valley entrepreneurs of the future.) Nice kids but DCs friends tended to be interested in gaming, sciency stuff, Lord of the Rings type films, etc. Yes the girls were feminist in that they were not going to let the boys get away with to much entitlement. But I'm not sure many, the boys especially, ever thought about feminism. And indeed some may go onto find typical gender roles convenient.

I am still struggling to understand the reasons behind behind your spirited if inaccurate, defence of Apple. One of the obvious problems with these huge tech companies is governance. They have a vast impact on society yet the decision makers exist in a small bubble of like minded people, indeed may be surrounded by people who are paid by them, and are not really accountable to anyone.

I think you missed the point completely

Less than one a year (total 7 or 8 I believe) is a far smaller rate of murder than 2 a week.

I think you've missed the point. The number is smaller, but the rate is higher because the population of transwomen is smaller than the population of women.

If a country has 1% black people, but 80% of them become murder victims, does that mean we shouldn't care about murder rates in black people if the absolute numbers are smaller than the number of non-black people being killed? Yeah, maths is a bitch isn't it?

Can humans change sex?

This question came up a few times. It's irrelevant and an argument purely of semantics. The facts are, 1. some people have gender dysphoria, 2. allowing them to live as their preferred gender is the best course of action. Whether or not they have technically changed sex doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to anyone else.

That's just the most lovely idea PJ, but men as a sex class are violent and women as a sex class are overwhelmingly vulnerable to such violence, so until the menz can sort themselves out women need sex based protections.

Incorrect. The overwhelming majority of victims of male violence are... other men. Being a woman actually has a protective effect against male violence in that regard. Which is, of course, what's expected as violence against women and children is taboo.

It matters when the sex They are is responsible for the vast majority of sexual crimes against the sex They claim to be. And the rate of criminality doesn t decrease wearing a dress or they'd hand them out in court to replace the ankle tag
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Men whatever they suffer from or think they are need to stay out of women's spaces

IF tech dudes call themselves "feminist" because it's the politics de jour. MeToo scored early at Google, so PR plays a role.

They're libertarians for the most part, prone to shaggy beards, baggy jeans, and quite often, whatever substance they can find.

And they hire 3 males to every 1 female. Worst sex ratio around.

Being a woman actually has a protective effect against male violence

2 women die every single day in the US at the hands of a male partner.

Two. Women. Every. Single. Day.

No, they don’t. They have a reputation for being libertarians, for practicing age and sex discrimination, for elitism, and for cruelty to their gig workers.

Do you read any material outside of mumsnet? All I hear and see is major tech companies and corporations boasting about how feminist they can be, and trying to out-feminist each other. This move, without a shadow of a doubt, is an attempt to appeal to feminism and LGBT people. Conversely, if you read material written by MRAs and the alt-right, you will be aware that they hate trans people and want to keep them out of women's toilets (it's one of many, many areas where myself and MRAs disagree).

violence against women and children is taboo.

LOL. Why are 2 women killed a week by their partners and something like 1 in 4 experience domestic violence. Mein just don't like to be seen hitting women and children, it's not the same thing.

IF tech dudes call themselves "feminist" because it's the politics de jour. MeToo scored early at Google, so PR plays a role.

Possibly yes. But basically, this thread has been a good summary of why I'm not a feminist. No matter how feminist men try to be, there will be another group of feminists somewhere else, ready to tear into them and call them raging sexists.

If they had announced that transwomen would be barred from the women's toilets, no doubt women wearing pussy hats would have taken to the streets in the US and called them racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic Trump supporters.

Personally, I just take each issue as it is. I think allowing transwomen to use women's toilets is the most sensible and reasonable course of action.

LOL. Why are 2 women killed a week by their partners

As I already explained, and as awful as that number is, it pales in comparison to what men do to each other. I don't know exactly how many men die at the hands of other men in the US, but I do know it's a lot higher than the number of women killed by men.

So are we following the logic? Low representation of women is OK if the firm boasts.

Men are violent to men so this protects women.

This bloke is happy to pretend men are women therefore everyone has to pretend to make this bloke even happier and do he can too boast about being a feminist.

The global epidemic of violent deaths of trans people is so vast it outnumbers the amount of trans people that exist tenfold.

as awful as that number is, it pales in comparison to what men do to each other

Again, not our problem. Sort it out amongst yourselves, and until you do so, we will continue to put our energy into protecting girls and women from you as best we can.