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Shocking bullying of gender critical law professor (Rosa Freedman)

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ProfessionalBarren · 05/12/2018 07:29

Absolutely shocked (and wasn’t sure I still could be) by her thread this morning about the abuse she’s endured, including acts of physical intimidation, covert bullying and vandalism. twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1070158128837246977?s=20 Fuckers.

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Mumfun · 05/12/2018 15:00

Rosa and other gender critical feminist academics today Flowers

scepticalwoman · 05/12/2018 15:09

It is getting to the stage where women - especially those in academia - are going to have to take serious self - protective measures if their employers are failing to protect them. Unbelievably awful to be in this position.

Tanith · 05/12/2018 15:11

They have said they condemn any harassment or intimidation towards staff or students and they're investigating.

If this is down to students, I should think they'll be very firmly dealt with. Reading University has never tolerated this kind of thing and they couldn't give a damn for bullies.

RetiredNotExpired · 05/12/2018 15:19

Uni of Reading has tweeted this:

Shocking bullying of gender critical law professor (Rosa Freedman)
LangCleg · 05/12/2018 15:35

Feeble from Reading.

A Reading academic attended WPUK last night and has come out in solidarity with Rosa:

twitter.com/ChloeReading/status/1070264844736176128

theOtherPamAyres · 05/12/2018 16:02

University of Reading needs to give its head a wibble at that outrageous victim-blaming, sceptical statement.

These incidents aren't "alleged incidents". To say that the incidents are 'alleged' implies that the victim is not believed.

The term 'allegation' is used when there is a perpetrator who has to answer the allegations, and the police/prosecutor/media has to be mindful of the 'innocent until proven guilty' principle. You do not use the word before you've got a perpetrator, and to throw doubt on the victim's account.

The scepticism and victim-blaming is compounded by the University saying that it wants 'more details' and that it condemns all forms of harassment. It does not accept Rosa Freedman words, then?

We are used to hearing instititutions blaming "both sides" (sic) - as though there had ever been a case of a feminist harassing a trans activist, or intimidating TRAs. To see the University of Reading calling Rosa's testimony an allegation, and implying that there were two sides to the story, is outrageous.

I wouldn't want my daughter to be a student there, if that's how they handle reports harassment and threatening behaviour.

TimeLady · 05/12/2018 16:16

James Kirkup talking about Rosa in The Spectator

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/women-are-abused-in-the-name-of-trans-rights-but-do-mps-care/

Thank you - again - James, for calling the politicians out on this.

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 16:29

Bravo James. Thank you.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 05/12/2018 16:47

Well done, James.

I’m getting increasingly pissed off that MPs and institutions aren’t speaking out. I won’t forget their silence and complicity while women are being attacked like this.

heresyandwitchcraft · 05/12/2018 16:57

Thanks James Star
More Flowers for Rosa. Flowers for any other woman facing this kind of harassment and violence just for standing up for women's rights.
The behaviour of these terrible abusers has made me completely livid and sad all day.

Materialist · 05/12/2018 17:01

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VickyEadie · 05/12/2018 17:07

Some of the comments under that Kirkup article make me despair of other human beings.

ChewyLouie · 05/12/2018 17:07

In agreement to the use of students Materialist, it makes me think of the Khmer Rouge - attempting to brainwash the young to do the dirty work.

LangCleg · 05/12/2018 17:11

This is the leading edge of fascism — masked, as Nazism was at first, in the language of the left.

Yes. I keep saying this. Fascism always includes some form of social welfare rhetoric and policy. But only for an in-group.

Materialist · 05/12/2018 17:13

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Oldstyle · 05/12/2018 17:25

Horrified to read about the abuse that Rosa is having to (somehow) cope with. I'd hope for a much more robust & far-reaching statement from Reading Uni who appear to be fence-sitting at the moment. That students feel it's acceptable to harass & bully a hugely respected, compassionate, thoughtful Professor, simply because she believes in biological facts, suggests that the trans lobby have the upper hand at Reading. And the SU have not yet issued a statement condemning the abuse. So very very sorry Rosa. Thank you for everything you do. FlowersFlowersFlowers

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/12/2018 17:27

'In agreement to the use of students Materialist, it makes me think of the Khmer Rouge - attempting to brainwash the young to do the dirty work.'

There’s an outstanding YA historical novel, Between Shades Of Gray, about a Lithuanian family exiled to Siberia in the Stalinist purges. I had read other memoirs about this but what brought me up short was the youth of the people who have been given guns and are forcing people into trucks. There's a harrowing scene where a woman who has just given birth is dragged out of a hospital, still bleeding, and what struck me was the righteousness and utter ignorance of the twenty year old soldiers. It's not just the Khmer Rouge or the Nazis, it's every oppressive regime, and I now understand far more than I want to about why.

donquixotedelamancha · 05/12/2018 18:43

Two things:

  1. Bump. This thread should be top of the forum for a while. This is absolutely bloody disgusting.
  1. I wrote to Prof. F to thank her for her courage. I'm sure emails and support on SM would be welcome at such a crap time.
stillathing · 05/12/2018 19:12

Surely this needs to be in the major newspapers as well?

scepticalwoman · 05/12/2018 19:22

I don't expect that the Guardian will touch it but the Mail have done:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6463947/Law-professor-blames-transgender-activists-campaign-harassment.html

2rebecca · 05/12/2018 19:28

I increasingly despair of the silence of our most prominent female politicians on this issue.
OK Brexit is ( or isn't) happening but you'd think Teresa May, Nicola Sturgeon or Ruth Davidson (OK on maty leave but life still goes on and she was silent before going off) could support women.
They can't all really believe the opinions of gender dysphoria men matter more than those of women.

Oldstyle · 05/12/2018 19:38

I agree Don - we need to keep shouting about this or it will simply be submerged by articles about how Megan & Kate don't get on, or whether Boris is planning to oust May.
If this fascistic behaviour is not roundly and universally condemned it will continue. Abusive males are having a field day.

lucydo · 05/12/2018 19:55

I think we should all tweet our MPs with James' article and ask for a response. I intend to.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 20:03

And for all this to happen to Prof Freedman who actively argues for new laws to protect trans rights.

Yes, she recognises material reality and the need to protect women's rights but alongside that she's doing more for trans right than any of those vile muppets ever will do - particularly in developing countries where they face ACTUAL human rights violations (as opposed to not just not being welcomed into the ladies loos as here)

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 20:05

Lucydo - great idea

(Mine is shit but good to keep irritating him with this stuff)

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