I am a right winger - convince me to become a feminist

[RadicalConservative]

As per subject, I vote Conservative, why? Because I believe in personal responsibility, I also believe that if you cannot afford something you should tighten your belt and save up instead of relying on credit which is ridiculously expensive i.e fiscal responsibility. I also believe in an individuals dignity and right to live whether that be a older person with a debilitating illness or a foetus in the womb. I lurk on FWR for a number of reasons and I would like to know and understand "feminist" issues however I find I am often dismayed at some of the "tribalism" and "hive mind" mentality on these threads. However if you can, please do try to educate me as to why women like myself should in your view be feminists, as it would seem that right wingers such as myself are only useful when we happen to agree on specific issues - see this tweet for an example: twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1068477170526445568

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Ffs stop slurring feminists

I am not slurring feminists - I am trying to understand the complexities of your ideology

Op why are you asking questions as if we are all of one mind on everything?!

No feminism, no women in academia. Isn't that enough?

Assuming you know about Beatrix Potter? She was originally a biologist. The establishment would not accept a woman so she ended up writing Peter Rabbit instead.

Asking questions is the way to find answers

The style of posting really reminds me of the midnight visitor

I am the proud owner of a Peter Rabbit crockery set which was given to my son as a Christening Gift

The style of posting really reminds me of the midnight visitor

So if I am who you think I am why do you do engage with me and dismiss my "arguments" and concerns?

Yeps lols
Am off to watch am I celeb
Must be better than op wonderings
Actually will be.

Ta ta op

What is your concern? Stop with the charade and just come out and say what it is you want to say, we're not children, have at it.

it’s not my job to convince you. You may also note that threads where a poster jumps on and demands an explanation tend not to go down well because so many of them were started by MRAs. We are not performing seals.

You believe in personal responsibility, so why is it mine to jump through hoops at your demand? There are plenty of resources out there and on here to set out our stalls - have a read of the boards. If you dont want to be a feminist of any flavour, dont.

Feminists aren’t a hive mind. The link to a Christian site is irrelevant. Note also thatcthat type of post doesn’t go down well because in the past such goads have been used to collect screenshots to ‘prove’ that ‘all feminists think...’

Be feminist, or don’t. It’s not my job to convince you and it’s not your right to demand I do. Because the essence of feminism, I increasingly suspect, is the right of women, quite simply, to say NO

Good start.

I think you already are a feminist- just don't want the label.

I am confused by your argument about pregnancy by rape and the denial of abortion.

My views on abortion are that as a society we should make more serious steps to tackle rape and sexual abuse, to shift the predominant view away from seeing women as sexual objects and away from PIV as the primary means of sexual interaction. Society (and men) should respect women and their right to say no.

Women who have unplanned pregnancies should be supported with a range of real choices, such as childcare and welfare to allow them to make a proper choice about what to do.

I would like to see society reduce the need for abortion, rather than denying it to women, because I think overall, abortion has a darker side which is to do with leaving women to pick up the pieces of sexual relationships at risk to their health and well-being and it also offers a route to coercive population policies and individual choices are not always free.

I am not sure if this is a left wing or a right wing view. I don’t even know if it is a realistic view. However, the reality of denying abortion is dangerous back street abortions increase and so does maternal mortality. At that basic level, it is not a political issue but a medical and human rights issue.

That apart, surely whether you are a feminist or not is up to you. No-one can convince you really one way or the other. Some days I would like not be a feminist as it is easier just to rub along and accept the status quo - other times, i find myself extremely angry the way women have been treated historically and still are today. You just need to pick up a paper any day of the week to find a story of a woman murdered or assaulted, usually by a man she trusted. If that does not enrage you, then what does?

The PSA thread is a jolly good place to start.

I'm a paid up Conservative member. I don't understand why it's so difficult to understand the feminist position.

By the way, I do not have an ‘ideology’

And who is the midnight visitor?

How old are you? Are you a mother?

abitcrapper

Even ds2 knows about the midnight misogynist

To the original poster - This thread is moving very quickly, but on the second page I contributed my personal reason for being a feminist.

I should also add that, being a movement to amplify the female perspective, there are lots of disagreements within feminism because women, unsurprisingly, have a variety of differing opinions. It's difficult to hold up an example and ask "does feminism support this?"

The link to a Christian site is irrelevant. Wow did you really say that this women's experience is irrelevant? That is truly disturbing

I am sorry if I have not responded as quickly as I might have done, truly did not expect such a busy response. Please bear with me as I read through some of the comments, will respond in the morning!

The midnight visitor katara is a chap or chaps who loves to pop on and start combative threads which boil down to ‘explain yourselves, wimmin!’

So threads where OP demands the denizens of FWR explain themselves tend not to go down well. The MV usually puts a load of links down too with ‘so you agree with this then, eh?’ Stirs up some aggro then gets banned when the mods come on in the morning.

Obviously that’s not you OP, I would t dream of insinuating such a thing. I’m just explaining the MO of one of our delightful regulars.

Even ds2 knows about the midnight misogynist grin

Thank you so much for your constructive comment, you have no idea how disgusted I am to read it

What the hell is going on? You think I am a man because I want to understand? You are truly insane

Even ds2 knows about the midnight misogynist grin

Yes, why does that man post on a parenting site at weekends, demanding women explain themselves? It normally ends up with him being a loser.