I am a right winger - convince me to become a feminist

[RadicalConservative]

As per subject, I vote Conservative, why? Because I believe in personal responsibility, I also believe that if you cannot afford something you should tighten your belt and save up instead of relying on credit which is ridiculously expensive i.e fiscal responsibility. I also believe in an individuals dignity and right to live whether that be a older person with a debilitating illness or a foetus in the womb. I lurk on FWR for a number of reasons and I would like to know and understand "feminist" issues however I find I am often dismayed at some of the "tribalism" and "hive mind" mentality on these threads. However if you can, please do try to educate me as to why women like myself should in your view be feminists, as it would seem that right wingers such as myself are only useful when we happen to agree on specific issues - see this tweet for an example: twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1068477170526445568

Are you anti-abortion?

Why the fuck would being "right wing" mean you aren't feminist? Educated academic really? A wise person once told me feminism is equality, if you don't believe in equality you're a douche, so are you a feminist or a douche?

Just popping up to say I'm not the OP...

I think what has annoyed me is the tweet from a random individual on Twitter in response to Nadine's attempt to support JHB "I am not a CIS woman" outburst (which I full support) saying not to take Nadine at her word as she is pro-choice etc. What is upsetting to people such as myself is that when it is convenient feminists (correct me if I am wrong) tend to be on the "left wing" but yet we are what is the phrase? "useful idiots" if we just happen to support left wing feminist ideas as in the case of the "trans" ideology. I think what I am trhing to say albeit badly is that we are all human, we all have our ways of looking at the world but from my perspective all I see is disorder and chaos coming from left wing activists, damn it need more wine

Do you think Teresa is a feminist? I am not sure on this one.

Are you anti-abortion? Yes

I'm a feminist because women cannot rely on men to stick up for us. Men are human, and since human beings, as a whole, don't tend to see much past the ends of our noses, that means that men are going to approach and push for things from a male perspective while overlooking things which (largely or only) affect women.

Women deserve to have and assert our own perspective, because men cannot and will never do that. We deserve to push for our representation in government so that men's voices are not the only ones that are heard. We deserve to have freedom and independence that comes with economic power. That, to me is feminism.

Do you think Teresa is a feminist? I am not sure on this one No

You don't think that people with different political leanings should come together on issues that they agree on?

I don't think stating that women don't have penises is linked to your political beliefs. Nor refusing to be called CIS.

You sound like a feminist to me, at least on the base tenets.
Why do you think it’s mutually exclusive to be a feminist and be right wing? I’m ex-military and they used to call me Maggie thatcher at uni. I’ve been a feminist for decades.
Weird.

And politics isn't just left and right, even though it is often characterized as such in the media and so on.

Do you agree that biology has an impact on human behaviour? I am a biologist next question

You are pretty rude, tbf.

Oh, and one more thing:

You are apparently an anti-choicer.

Well, any time a woman is raped, gets pregnant and is not allowed an abortion, a rapist gets to father a child.

He then gets to influence that child to also become a rapist, or sexually molest the child, because unless the woman can prove he raped her, he as a right to see the child.
And of course, as he has a right to see the child, it is very hard for the woman to avoid contact with him.

To prevent this, you can either become pro-choice, or you can campaign for men to only be allowed to have contact with children they fathered if the mother allows it, no reasons asked. (Because women often don't want to talk about rape, and often are dismissed when they do talk about it)

Which one do you choose?

I do think the right to abortion is much easier to achieve, but if you want to radically reduce men's rights to children, you are welcome to.

This might blow your mind but If you want to hear from actual feminists on feminism there is a mass of information out there in the form of essays, blogs, books.... amazing right? The feminists here aren’t the only ones in existence!

Attitudes like this are not helpful, I am trying to engage person to person

You don't think that people with different political leanings should come together on issues that they agree on?

Yes I do think people should come together on many issues, I think this country is so divided that the only way forward is adult conversation

I don't think it's wise for you to criticise people's attitudes when you are making demands for people's time.

Well converse then, why would you not be a feminist because you vote Conservative?

Well, any time a woman is raped, gets pregnant and is not allowed an abortion, a rapist gets to father a child.

This really annoys and upsets me. Would you as feminists agree that it is right to subject a mother who has chosen to give birth to a child born of rape to intimidation, death threats and violence by feminists?

You're really not trying to engage. You are demanding and being abrupt when your demands are not meant. You have been given the answer several times. If I told you I wanted to be a biologist, and had wanted only to be taught, now. This very minute, by a biologist- what would you suggest I do? I would assume that you would give me a starting point, an idea of where to find the basics, and then if there was something I didn't u defat and, you'd try to explain it to me. This is a vast topic. Women can not 'convert' you in a post- and shouldn't have to. Maybe ask for some suggestions of women/forums to research and then ask any questions that come up?

I don't think stating that women don't have penises is linked to your political beliefs. Nor refusing to be called CIS.

Sorry, that's bullshit. Wanting women to have a right to privacy, dignity and safety IS a political belief.

As is women's right to free speech and not being called slurs.

It is just not linked to male right-wing or male left-wing, because those are all about males.

If something is affected by politics, it is political.

I am not even sure there's anything on the planet that really has nothing to do with politics.

A bad government can ruin absolutely everything. It can't change the laws of nature, but that's about it.

"Would you as feminists agree that it is right to subject a mother who has chosen to give birth to a child born of rape to intimidation, death threats and violence by feminists?"

• what on earth are you referring to?

This really annoys and upsets me. Would you as feminists agree that it is right to subject a mother who has chosen to give birth to a child born of rape to intimidation, death threats and violence by feminists?

Wtf you on about?

Jacob, is that you?

Do you as feminists support this sort of activism? twitter.com/christianorguk/status/1067053886245126144

Body politics. The single most important reason to be a feminist. FWR boards here are helpful.