Will society accept transwomen ARE women in future generations?

[interestingdebatetoday]

Today I debated with a young woman I adore. I'm in my 30's, her in her 20's. She attended uni in a very liberal city and has studied psychology. Definitely armed to hold an opinion.

We disagree currently on several of the current topics re trans. I personally hold what's probably the norm on the feminist boards of mumsnet in my views.

It made me wonder though - she claims not to feel women are really impacted, uses unisex bathrooms as a norm, and obviously has been socialised to not find an issue in accepting transwomen as women. Is it possible that actually society will progress in a way that her generation down simply won't have the issues which I feel exist when trying to include transwomen AS women?

Can women be educated/socialised to a place over time where several generations on - we will be the old women with outdated beliefs and the world simply isn't bothered about the things which we were?

It has to go one way or the other really doesn't it? Either a big u turn and the idea that transwomen ARE women becomes laughable and delusional is mainstream and acceptable (as many of us might feel on the boards) OR transwomen ARE women and we were the ones who were wrong

It made me wonder... I was really suprised tbh. 10 years later made a huge difference to whether we felt our rights were under attack...

Oh ffs still boring the fuck outta everybody weet

Yes. Otherwise known as posting facts

And ..........

So boys on puberty blockers can only ever grow man boobs, not woman boobs? It’s only when they take the ‘female’ hormones that they can grow laydee boobs is it?

And pray tell about these ‘female’ hormones. What does this word ‘female’ signify??

'As a prostate cancer hormone therapy, estrogen is no longer used as much because of the risk of cardiovascular side effects. Many researchers believe that medical and surgical castration is safer and more effective than the use of estrogen, although estrogen will not cause hormone flare like the LHRH agonist.'

www.prostate-cancer.com/hormone-therapy/cancer-treatments/therapy-estrogen.html

'Estetrol (E4), a natural form of estrogen produced in the fetal liver and found in the bloodstream of their mothers during pregnancy, may have use in the treatment of prostate cancer. Results of a study that made the backed the hypothesis were presented at ENDO 2017 in Orlando, the annual meeting of the Endocrine Society.'

www.mdmag.com/conference-coverage/endo-2017/testing-a-fetal-form-of-estrogen-for-prostate-cancer-treatment

I'll be sure to keep my eye open for this charming older man to let him know that some random person on the internet says to tell him he was wrong.

The point is modifying natural hormones causes side effects.
Taking cross sex hormones cause side effects.

Plastic surgery can create false breasts, change noses, pin ears etc

Humans can't change sex.

ok well glad to see this thread, which was placed here to tell us all in a less subtle manner than usual, that we are the wrong side of history .....really didn't work.

hashtag, not buying it.
hashtag, find another job if yours is attempting to blag people with BS

So is that wha5 you want ppl just to give up and go away ?

Results Across samples, 178 of 1642 participants (10.8%) reported having perpetrated at least 1 rape from 14 years of age through the end of college.

From the study posted upthread.

Bloody hell.

@Bubonicpanic ??? I'm the OP

Have you read my posts?

Jeez weet
This is so wrong
This relentless words and words yet words saying nothing
Your words say nothing

@irnbruforlife I haven’t looked at this thread for a few days but just saw you asked if I’d mind sharing communal changing rooms with a man and/or transwoman. Personally no I would not have an issue with either. I honestly don’t care who sees me naked, because I don’t believe the human body is inherently sexual outside of sexualised situations and I don’t think it’s healthy or conducive to body acceptance and confidence to make it so. And before anyone chimes in with ‘but rape victims’ - I have been raped! Didn’t alter my feelings around this at all.

Wow Johnny
Well I do

I don’t mind not having blinds or curtains so I don’t think anyone else should have the right to them either.

Bully for you, Johnnyfinland. I hope you aren't expecting everyone else to share your enlightened insouciance.

So genitalia is irrelevant, a woman is actually someone with breasts, but only if those breasts have been grown with female hormones, even though ‘female’ hormones could now mean androgens, because men can be female now you bigot.

Lovely!

Johnny’s just trotting about naked 😂😂😂

Calvinsmam

Yes I'm in the process of reading that study.

It isn't the one that the PP was referring to but the figures cited in it are very concerning.

Someone asked, I answered. It’s a shame any dissenting opinions always descend into snide comebacks rather than civilised debate

I agree, johnnyfinland.

I don’t think a human body is a sexual object outside of sexualised situations either.

Unfortunately some men are pervs who believe a woman getting changed is a sexual situation whether or not she agrees. Hence the shocking amount of Amatuer voyeur porn (aka sticking your phone in the gap in changing rooms).

So I’d rather not let men in, ta.

because I don’t believe the human body is inherently sexual outside of sexualised situations and I don’t think it’s healthy or conducive to body acceptance and confidence to make it so.

Yes, it would be more than brilliant for predators and bullies to think this. Instead of their victims.

But since they don't...

Trot on naked Johnny 😂😂😂😎😎😎

There are three main ways to have hormone therapy for prostate cancer. These are:

injections or implants to stop your testicles making testosterone
tablets to block the effects of testosterone
surgery to remove the testicles or the parts of the testicles that make testosterone. This is called an orchidectomy.
The type you have will depend on whether your cancer has spread, any other treatments you’re having, and your own personal choice. You may have more than one type of hormone therapy at the same time.

I've not heard of oestrogen being given here to treat prostate cancer.

This is from prostate cancer uk website in case anyone needs a uk based site for information.

Unfortunately some men are pervs who believe a woman getting changed is a sexual situation whether or not she agrees. Hence the shocking amount of Amatuer voyeur porn (aka sticking your phone in the gap in changing rooms).

So I’d rather not let men in, ta.

Me neither.