Allow prostitution in care homes

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This reads like a spoof article, but the information has come from Royal College of Nursing guidance:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6425741/Sex-guide-care-home-residents-advises-nurses-help-OAPs-download-PORN-use-sex-toys.html

What about nurses, other residents and the prostitutes. I still thought that prostitution was illegal in the U.K.?

Sorry if the link isn't clicky, I'm not very tech savvy.

I think the RCN are open to this kind of lobbying. I know this isn't a trans thread, but just about every institution has been lobbied 'ahead of the law' about 'trans' inclusion. Why would RCN have better judgement?

Yep, read the guidance, the Daily Mail did not lie about it’s contents.

There is guidance about assisting nursing home residence stream porn or play porn dvds and utilize masturbatory aids. There’s a case study about a resident who wants to buy another human being to use for sex -aka, hire a prostitute - and the only reason presented that the resident could not buy another human being to use for sex was that prostitution is illegal and the nursing home would be breaking the law.

Again, as a nurse, none of the above is in my job description. It is not my job to facilitate my patients sex lives. It is no woman’s job. And no one has the right to participate in the exploitation of women through porn and prostitution.

AngryAttackKittens Tue 27-Nov-18 20:58:30

But sure, just ignore the needs of the women and make sure the men have opportunities to orgasm and everything will be peachy.

But is that not assuming that women are not interested in sex after a certain age???

Not sure why the commenter above is so hyperfocused on me in particular but it's a bit creepy.

That aside, how likely do we think it is that care homes are offering porn, manual stimulation, and/or the procurement of prostitutes to elderly women separated from their husbands?

(Note - come on, this isn't even good goading, at least make an effort.)

I struggle with the fact that my older OH may need to go into a home one day. Will I worry that he is having an affair with another resident, should I worry? By handing a loved one over to the state you are losing rights as to their treatment if the home deem they have a right to porn, sex aids, or the love of another resident, I will probably not be told.

Scary stuff...

I know this isn't a trans thread
They are using similar maneuvers.... the Trojan horse /piggyback technique

Both could be classified as men's sexual rights movements, so there's that too.

Fireworks - the word outrage makes sensible concerns sound hysterical. These concerns are not baseless. Page 13 of the guidance states ‘If individual staff feel they are unable to support a resident’s right to sexual expression, managerial support, supervision or education can be offered.’
No. The personal boundaries of the nurse should be respected. No- one should be ‘educated’ to deal with other people’s sexual ‘expression’. Who considered the rights of nurses to maintain their own sexual boundaries in all of this? The guidance also infers asking about bowel habits is on a par with asking questions to support sex lives. Hmm are we trying to get to the stage where sex is the same as any other function? Blur the boundaries until none are left.

There’s a case study about a resident who wants to buy another human being to use for sex -aka, hire a prostitute - and the only reason presented that the resident could not buy another human being to use for sex was that prostitution is illegal and the nursing home would be breaking the law

Prostitution is not illegal in the UK. If a care home resident has his own room and sufficient mental capacity to operate a phone and a debit card there is no legal reason why he can't order in a prostitute.

The care home may of course seek to ban this type of visitor but that is a different matter.

Whilst I am utterly opposed to prostitution we have been discussing consent. I would say that a resident who does not have the mental capacity to make a phone call and use a debit card might be assumed not to have capacity to consent to sex.

But is that not assuming that women are not interested in sex after a certain age

Women absolutely are interested in sex. However we seem to be alot more accepting when it's not available and don't seem to have the same sense of entitlement to sex as men have.

As PP said, its not the women asking for sex toys, prostitutes and porn.

I was sexually assaulted in a dementia care home by an elderly gentleman. He had me against a wall, groping my breasts, slapping my arse and laughing out loud - he was having a great time. It was hard as if he’d been a younger man, I would’ve flattened him but he was in his 80s & his dementia had removed his inhibitions so I was trying to push him away gently. The carers stepped him and he was taken back to his room.

Luckily he hadn’t got to any of the female residents but the carers were fair game to him. They followed the procedure - informed the police, CQC & social services - put him on sedatives and kept him away from fellow residents. He was only in for respite care but had he been a permanent resident I believe they would’ve put him on some form of oestrogen supplement.

Sexual assault of carers and other residents by actual residents is a big problem in dementia care homes - assaults by both male and female residents. For this reason, porn and prostitutes shouldn’t be added to the mix.

I don't think it is irrelevant, it shows that some people unable to do it for themselves need help

It is completely irrelevant because (a) no one actually needs to have sex and (b) if what you describe happened at all there is a gazillion miles between an individual nurse choosing to take pity on an individual patient (and men in exceptional circumstances) and providing wanking services as a standard part of a care attendant's job.

The girls I know who visit our village are not paid enough, nor given enough time to provide a happy ending.

I am concerned that they will be coerced into finding the RCN guidance an acceptable part of their job, which of course it isn`t. Where else would you get away with this. What about long term patients in hospitals???

The guidance also infers asking about bowel habits is on a par with asking questions to support sex lives. Hmm are we trying to get to the stage where sex is the same as any other function?

Further.... the wages of care staff and sex workers (that's those highly - paid happy hooker sex workers) the wages of those two will converge
And you can bet your bottom dollar that convergence will occur in a downwards Direction

Jocasta, the voice from the front line!