Allow prostitution in care homes

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This reads like a spoof article, but the information has come from Royal College of Nursing guidance:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6425741/Sex-guide-care-home-residents-advises-nurses-help-OAPs-download-PORN-use-sex-toys.html

What about nurses, other residents and the prostitutes. I still thought that prostitution was illegal in the U.K.?

Sorry if the link isn't clicky, I'm not very tech savvy.

And... when men do engage in prostitution, how come the vast majority of their clients are... other men?

Indeed.

Allowing a person who is a paid sex worker with their own free will (not trafficked or high on drugs) to enter a care home and allowing the resident privacy to engage with them is one thing but care staff should never be asked to facilitate the meeting. I know there are specialists who give disabled men certain services for a fee, I'm not comfortable about prostitution however having read about these people, they are choosing to do this rather than being forced (one lady said she was dbs checked!) the young lad (was 20) dreamt of doing what non disabled men do but if you are hooked up oxygen 24/7 in a hospice your ability to attract a woman is limited!

there's a website called the TLC trust which is aimed towards disabled people. the website claims the service providers (the wording they use) sign to say they are not trafficked

tlc-trust.org.uk/

there are a lot of male escorts and some of them do state that they only see female clients

Of course they will sign to say they are "not trafficked". What a fucking stupid "endorsement" that purports to be.

"A lot" Tracey ? What do you think the relative percentage of male/female prostitutes might be ? Hazard a guess. 50/50 ?

Taken from the link Tracey posted

"If your client lacks mental capacity, the mental capacity required for consent to sex is not at a high level, and it should not be assumed that any person lacks it."

.....ok

And:

"It is illegal not to support disabled people to enjoy the same pleasures as others enjoy in the privacy of the their own homes (Equality Act 2010, Human Rights Act 1998)."

So it's illegal to not want to hire a disabled person a prostitute now?

Not illegal in Holbeck, Leeds

The sex discrimination act which the EA drew from said women have the right to not be subjected to a degrading, hostile or offensive environment at work and it is up to the complainant to define what that is.
A woman has every right to object to being involved in procuring prostituted women, being subjected to pornography or shown sex toys in the work place.

People who live in care homes can't smoke indoors because it is the workplace of the carers. No visible porn/offensive images etc also apply.

Old people with the required mental capacity should be able to engage in consentual sexual relationships and activity. But where do you draw the line.

Who decides who has mental capacity and who doesn't. Alfred and Mable want use of a private room with a double bed to get it on. But Mable is actually married, however she doesn't know that because she has dementia and thinks she's 20 again. Do you allow it or stop it. If the male residents have free rain to persue sex with female residents, are we the going to have to deal with, sexual harassment, sexual assault....... rape of female residents. Can the male claim that he's got diminished responsibility?

Do you police what porn they watch. What if residents start watching violent or degrading porn. Is that still OK.

As for providing or facilitating prostitutes, that's completly disgusting. If you can't find a consenting partner then you don't get to have sex. End of. These 'happy hookers' like the poster upthread are nearly always fetish workers, they're sex people, would do it for free and are in full control of their clients and acts. They are worlds apart from most prostitutes.

Absolutely. And there is sexual harassment. Exposing the female residents (& some men) to porn or prostitution could leave them feeling really unsafe in their own home.

This is coming from the sex industry trying to rebrand commercial sexual exploitation as 'therapy', the pimps as 'agents', the prostituted as 'therapists' and the punters as 'harmless', 'powerless' 'patients'. This is not the first time.

Catherine Stephens who was (is?) a main player for the IUSW - speaking over all the others at all discussions about prostitution was (is?) an agent for sending prostituted women to disabled men. That is where she got (gets?) her income. It also is the launchpad for the narratives of the prostituted being in control as they provide a 'service'. It also manipulates the emotions of the listener - discussing hoists and disability aids, severe disabilities, which for most are a turn off, in a sexual context, guilts people because they know that they could not go to a care home and do such a thing, it brings a visceral feeling of "nooooooooo!" which plays into her hands nicely. She can lighten the mood by suggesting that the kind of women who do it are different and don't mind it, then a few jokes about women who have unwanted sex with their own husbands every night.

The sex industry needs a female face and a harmless face because the second any of the actual unpleasant men who are the actual beneficiaries of prostitution open their mouths or show their faces - all public sympathy drains away. They are a bunch of creepy, threatening bastards with no care for the wellbeing of women and girls and the shows.

The sex industry needs a female face and a harmless face because the second any of the actual unpleasant men who are the actual beneficiaries of prostitution open their mouths or show their faces - all public sympathy drains away

Yes, cheers Helen Mirren.

Even if traceyracer's laughable fantasy resembled reality in any way (it does not) the mostly female staff at care homes deserve not to be forced to deal with this in their work environment, as do female residents.

Ugh

There simply is not enough money in the world that would send me in that direction. Unless I couldn't feed my children. But that isn't consent, is it.

Rixera you will never convince me that using men's fucked up sense of entitlement to penetrate women's bodies (as long as they have the money to over ride consent) is a good thing for individuals and for society. Never
Well said

Rivera have you ever been in a care home ?
“Women and men should have access to pornography in their residence” ...I have spent a lot of time in care homes, along with my small daughters. Most resents have some level of dementia. I really can’t imagine that any of the women I met would have wanted porn, and women vastly outnumber men in homes. Out of 22 residents in my Mother’s care home there were two men, both of whom died while she was there, leaving none.
People with dementia wouldn’t be keeping porn use to themselves , I can assure you, and care homes have children like mine ,visiting relatives. They have a largely female staff.
Being supportive of loving relationships continuing is one thing, promoting the expoloitation of women in a communal home , full of women and with children visiting, is quite a different matter.
Agree this is a Trojan horse. I remember 30 years ago the push for disabled men to have access to prostitutes . Grim. Getting a shag isn’t a human right.

Sorry predictive text changed residents to resents.

Thinking about how long the echos of abuse and trauma blight people's minds - the flashbacks, the terrors, the panic attacks the short-term financial gain could never be worth it. You'd pay all that money and more for peace of mind.
And lots of women in prostitution just buy a load of shite they don't really want or need to compensate. How about not traumatising yourself in the first place instead of filling your life with flashy materialistic shite?

I know this is deeply threatening to the macho ego, but maybe at a certain point men are just too bloody old for sex to be a realistic possibility, especially sex with an attractive young stranger. Maybe we should be encouraging those men to come to terms with the reality of their situation and enjoy the rest of their lives rather than entertaining them by giving them desperate women to abuse. Maybe if absolutely nobody wants to have sex with you then you just don't get to have sex.

And again, what about Helen the nurse who pops in to give everyone their pills, or Mary who's visiting to give her toddler a chance to see gran, or Jane who really would rather not be seeking out a prostitute for Dave who's insistent that he has a right to one and who's being coerced into facilitating something she's deeply uncomfortable with and that was not in any way part of the job that she signed up to do? Why is Dave more important than everyone else?

Absolutely AAK

Prostitution is about getting unwilling women to suppress their aversion and disgust to do repugnant things for men who have the money she desperately needs, even if she has to dissociate from her body and get ptsd doing it.

Porn really is the main propaganda for male sexual entitlement. These dudes in care homes need a reality check.