Allow prostitution in care homes

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This reads like a spoof article, but the information has come from Royal College of Nursing guidance:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6425741/Sex-guide-care-home-residents-advises-nurses-help-OAPs-download-PORN-use-sex-toys.html

What about nurses, other residents and the prostitutes. I still thought that prostitution was illegal in the U.K.?

Sorry if the link isn't clicky, I'm not very tech savvy.

In friends cases their FIL`S were harrassing, nurses, other residents, even visitors sexually. To be honest I would not want to give them any encouragement, one FIL would become violent when aroused which was most days he had been put into a home because he was raping his 80 odd wife most days, almost killed her. I would not like to see a health professional put in this position once the idea lodged in the head of a resident that this was on the menu.

I know/knew of four men and one woman who I had grown up knowing who ended up like this.

I would sue the company I work for if I was asked to do this as part of 'personal care', I refused and subsequently left.

This thread, while full of wise debate regarding the ethics of prostitution and porn, is absolutely infuriating. It is so blatantly obvious that most posters haven't even bothered to read the actual guidance and are passing judgement on the basis of a fucking daily fail article!

Go and read the actual guidance and you'll see most of your outrage is totally baseless. You're mostly sounding totally ignorant and, quite frankly, it's embarrassing.

One of case studies included a patient who asked nurses to help with masturbation, but was refused because staff felt 'ill-equipped to deal skillfully' with their request.

I'd interpret this to mean "couldn't figure out how to say fuck off you fucking creep and never talk to me again while still maintaining a relationship with the patient that would allow them to perform essential job functions".

Here is the guidance offered.

www.rcn.org.uk/professional-development/publications/pub-007126

fireworks do you think we are being hysterical ?

Scroll down this Govt guidance and their "recommendations"

Again, the answer is no. No, nurses should not be expected to add wanking off patients to their list of responsibilities. No, women who work in care homes who are not nurses shouldn't be expected to either. No, men do not have a "right" to an orgasm facilitated by anyone other then themselves. No, the fact that they are not longer able to do so themselves does not impose on the women around them an obligation to do it for them.

It is not ethically acceptable to make every single job in which women habitually touch other people a form of prostitution.

AngryAttackKittens Tue 27-Nov-18 20:25:19
Again, the answer is no. No, nurses should not be expected to add wanking off patients to their list of responsibilities. No, women who work in care homes who are not nurses shouldn't be expected to either. No, men do not have a "right" to an orgasm facilitated by anyone other then themselves. No, the fact that they are not longer able to do so themselves does not impose on the women around them an obligation to do it for them.

The guidance does not expect the nurse to service the resident. However, the residents after discussion with the team are if deemed suitable entitled to a sex life, sex aids, porn in their room. They decided bringing in sex workers would be breaking the law.

Not sure if this adds to the staffs workload or reduces it, happy residents in fulfilling relationships may make life easier

Staff offer same level of assistance with personal/intimate hygiene care surrounding sexual activity as is given for other activities of daily living such as toileting.

Does this mean wiping up jiz?

Do they clean their own sex aids? Because I see no reason why staff should have to clean someone else's used sex toys either.

Maybe it is rinsing out sex aids

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Also, again, porn in the workplace is sexual harassment, so unless we're talking a phone that the staff never have to see the screen of then that's not appropriate.

I'm also thinking of the analogy that I'm sure someone will raise of relatives providing eldercare at home. Would we expect them to wash out granddad's fleshlight for him? Position his RealDoll, if he's to frail to move it himself? Help him find the best sites to stream porn if he's not very tech savvy?

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I really cannot state strongly enough how unacceptable it is to normalize the idea that if someone cannot achieve orgasm themselves their carers should be expected to facilitate it for them, including the cleanup afterwards. This is some seriously slippery slope stuff, and I think that's exactly why some people are so keen on it.

It would be interesting to see who has been quietly been lobbying for this behind the scenes. I have my suspicions.

I think I would rather clean up jiz, than poop to be honest.

I knew an elderly lady a friends mum who went into a home locally, she and a man there (who I also had known he lived in our village) had a full relationship with staffs knowledge, they were very happy together. The only difficulty was his wife visited once a week so they had to get her out of the way for an hour or so. Reading the guidance I see that the staff are supposed to respect the privacy of the residents and not necessarily inform the family. It seems families may well object to this.

The wife never found out, the man died and the woman never really missed him because her alzheimers was further advanced.

Come on fireworks please come explain why what is "baseless" about our concerns ?

re: porn in the case study the man purchased his own legal porn and watched it on a laptop with headphones. There were locks on the doors and do not disturb signs in the home so there must be expectation of privacy.

It would indeed. My guess is it's not going to be people who you'd normally expect to have the best interests of the elderly or disabled at heart.

Sometimes elderly couples can’t even go into the same home if it’s different types of care required! What is being done to keep married couples together? Or is the solution just to offer the husband a prostitute? Ffs.

Fuck that throws up a lot of ethical questions. If someone has been faithful throughout their marriage and that is really important to them, but get dementia and starts shagging a random in a care home - has the care home unnaturally intervened and undermined their integrity by facilitating that?

Do you think the RCN is open to lobbying of this kind or is it just their own expert observations over the years. The elderly population is going to get larger and larger. There are ten houses in my lane. Four of them have carers every day. Used to be six, two of the houses have just been sold to younger people, but in a few years two more homes will be needing carers so we will be back up to six.

Also are people not likely to deteriorate much faster both medically and mentally/emotionally if forcibly separated from the long term partner who they're very attached to?

But sure, just ignore the needs of the women and make sure the men have opportunities to orgasm and everything will be peachy.