Lily Madigan and the School Saga

[dillydallyXX]

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

Rowantrees/ langclegg;

I agree, with both your statements, of course. I ain't defending anyone, just hoping to throw a little light onto obscure corners for those who are less involved than you both clearly are.

( there isn't one " transgender community" as such, of course. Any more than there is one " woman's community", or one" man's community" )

( there isn't one " transgender community" as such, of course. Any more than there is one " woman's community", or one" man's community" )

I said people within the transgender community.

That's the point you want to make?

just hoping to throw a little light onto obscure corners for those who are less involved than you both clearly are.

Kay I believe, in good faith, that you may well have access direct or indirect /influence to people, places, SM spaces where it might be more likely to do something to resolve what you describe as:

The whole LM thing is just a hopeless mess

For this specific issue, Mumsnet FWR board isn't it.

A lot of it is actually Momentum pushing these candidates forward. They have been getting push back on their page on Facebook for supporting identity politics.

Presumably, Lily is Momentum, Invisible?

I think Momentum has tangled itself into knots, to be honest. It can't be a socialist grouping within Labour because it seems to have gone head over heels for the individualist version of IDPol, yet that's what it likes people to see it as.

Why does a UK resident citizen need thousands of pounds to transition?

invisible1234;
Yes, I believe so.

Avoiding NHS scrutiny & queue presumably

Twat. Absolutely full of shit.

Invisible - yes, LM is very much Momentum backed. But it's the Labour PArty itself who has indulged LM ("Keeping the benches warm" type gubbins from senior members) and allowed LM to take a position as Women's Officer, despite the obvious lack of qualification to do so

Many , many , people go private, either here or abroad. It cuts out the waiting, and , as you suggest, the NHS assessment. As to numbers; I have no idea, and there cannot be any figures anyway.

Anecdotally, there are more " regrettors" in those who fact track themselves. To do anything as life changing and frankly scarey, without a long period of reflection and serious adaption is always going to be a risk.

This is one of the reasons why we are against Self ID; the chances of someone who would never pass muster with the psychiatric assessment of the NHS being able to self ID is very real.

LM might well get through that assessment; we cannot say, can we? She might be 100% genuine, even though she is a loose cannon.

I understand from verbal info that a low single figure number of 50 plus people from Oxfordshire who applied for a GRC were turned down on the basis of their psychiatric reports. This is why we are adamant that the GRA should not be modified to make things easier. ONE dangerous person getting through is too many.

But again, LM may be annoying... well, she IS annoying... but there is no reason to assume that she personally is or ever would be a danger to women and girls. But SOME would be,.

A lot of it is actually Momentum pushing these candidates forward. They have been getting push back on their page on Facebook for supporting identity politics

Of course, people with access / influence within the transgender community, Momentum and the Labour Party all have both the opportunity and responsibility to do more (& I would add quickly) to help the 'hopeless mess'. Also, one might add, the NUS.

They have all contribted to pushing Lily Madigan into the spotlight. Just as some within these groups may have believed there was benefit or used this for their own ends, so too is there a duty of care and need for scrutiny.

But again, LM may be annoying... well, she IS annoying... but there is no reason to assume that she personally is or ever would be a danger to women and girls

Did you miss the consequences of Lily Madigan and allies targetting of Anne Ruzylo?
I linked to Anne's speeches upthread I think.

but there is no reason to assume that she personally is or ever would be a danger to women and girls

I beg your fucking pardon?

Madigan has attacked women and attempted to undermine their ability to speak freely, participate politically - the list goes on and on and Ariston.

Kay - please stop trying to minimise the excesses of transactivists while positioning yourself as some kind of "centrist". It feels both manipulative and deceitful.

well, langcleg; you are implying a "thumbs down "judgement on my intentions, aren't you?. Fortunately my " in box" shows that some others are adamantly opposed to my posts.

But, to be fair, I was referring to LM ( and any others) potential to be an abuse threat in "women only spaces, "not to the things she says. Thanks for the chance to make that plain.

Damn; should edit; " LESS adamantly opposed" ( slinks off to put the kettle on ,and wipe egg off face)

Speaking entirely hypothetically, I wouldn't be able at all to predict which narcissistic, possibly autogynephile men were a threat to women and which were not.

Hmmmm

I’m afraid I’m going to have to agree with this please stop trying to minimise the excesses of transactivists while positioning yourself as some kind of "centrist". It feels both manipulative and deceitful.

I also think Kay’s been here before and not just under the welsh name. This all feels very Groundhog Day.

Times article November 2017:
'Lily Madigan: I’m a transgender teen agitator; I make an ideal Labour women’s officer
Born male, Lily Madigan is at the heart of the battle raging over the question of gender identity. She talks about the row she sparked in her own party'

(extract)
You may see Lily Madigan as a crusader or you may see her as a troublemaker, but sitting in a branch of Costa in Rochester, Kent, her jeans ripped and hair dyed a dirty pink, she looks like a teenager trying to pretend everything is OK.

Last week it emerged that the transgender art student, who is only 19, had been elected “women’s officer” for her local Labour Party in Rochester and Strood, months after she lodged a complaint against a “transphobic” feminist, Anne Ruzylo, who held the same post in another constituency.

Ruzylo later stood down, prompting the party’s executive committee to quit in solidarity. The sequence of events makes it look a lot as though Madigan, who was born male, forced a woman out of a post representing women, only to snap up a matching job herself.

It is a murky little story from the murkiest circles of local Labour Party politics and no one emerges looking good. Madigan says she made a complaint against Ruzylo in September because she had “heard she had made some transphobic comments” and wanted the local executive committee to look into them.

Ruzylo, she claims, held a rally against domestic assault and “wouldn’t let trans women march in it”, as well as promoting a campaign to “drop the ‘T’ from LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender]” on social media.

Madigan denies any bullying took place, although she was “alerted” to Ruzylo’s views by members of her local party who didn’t like her. Certainly, it isn’t easy to cast Ruzylo, 52, in the role of wounded victim. Madigan shows me a tweet Ruzylo posted that says simply: “Lily Madigan is not a woman and never will be.”

Looming in the background is the government’s proposed amendment to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA), which would allow people to change gender without needing the approval of a doctor. It’s a move that has infuriated feminist campaigners such as Ruzylo, a former prison officer, who argue the change will be exploited by sexual abusers who could declare themselves female in order to enter women’s jails and other facilities (continues)

"But like so many millennials, [Lily Madigan] would rather shut down debate than win it. Should feminists such as Germaine Greer be allowed to express views that many in the trans community find offensive? “I find it difficult to know whether we should give them a view. Everyone’s views are valid but when some views are inciting hatred against a group, sometimes there is a duty not to give them a platform,” she says.

It’s in the Labour Party that Madigan has found a home. I ask when she started to care about politics and she answers: “Jeremy Corbyn.” She joined the party after the election, has met most of her friends through it and shows me a video of Corbyn answering a question from her at Labour’s youth policy conference. Raising Corbyn’s terrible track record with women’s rights is pointless because Madigan is evangelical. She wants to be the first transgender MP.

How, at 19, can she have enough experience to represent the interests of women in the constituency? “I’m good at trans rights and student rights,” she says. “I did a lot of work around stopping the council here shutting Sure Start centres; I’ve been speaking to victims of rape recently.”. (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lily-madigan-im-a-transgender-teen-agitator-imake-an-ideal-labour-womens-officer-2ctxksngx

I think at this point, it might be useful to understand exactly what the Women's Officer role is within the Labour Party. It's not actually to do things for women in the constituency generally: it's to improve political participation and elevate the voice of the women in the constituency party and to recruit more women to the CLP:

We need Labour Party women to play an active and engaged role in every single CLP, and it’s the job of the Women’s Officer to ensure they’re getting the support to do that.

CLP Women’s Officers work to make sure their local party is a welcoming and engaging place for women.

labour.org.uk/members/my-membership/my-local-party/representing-labour/clp-womens-officer/

One might take issue with many of Madigan's activities in this regard during tenure of this role.

When news that vulnerable female prisoners had been sexually assauted by a male prisoner (revealed later to be Karen White) Lily Madigan tweeted. See screenshot

Sun article By Paul Sims
20th July 2018
(extract)
"A transgender Labour activist has come under fire for ill-judged remarks about prison sex attacks story
Our exclusive revealed how the prisoner was sent to New Hall in Wakefield, West Yorks, on remand despite not having gender reassignment surgery'
(extract)
The story was based on information confirmed in court and followed by other media outlets.

But Lily Madigan, the first trans person to be a women’s officer for Labour, tweeted: “Make no mistake, this is transmisogynistic fear mongering.”

She went on to claim 80,000 people are sexually assaulted every year in prison — which others pointed out is the figure for the US not UK jails.

And she questioned why we left out key details — which we did so, correctly, to abide by contempt of court laws. Steven Regan told Lily: “You are an utter embarrassment to Labour.” (continues)

www.thesun.co.uk/news/6823069/labour-activist-remarks-transgender-exclusive/

White was found guilty and his long history of violent sexual assaults against children and women revealed.

As well as the female prisoners White assaulted, many vulnerable other women were locked in by the state with this predatory male, forced to share intimate spaces such as toilets and showers.

Lily Madigan was a Labour Party Women's Officer at this time.
One of the few (only?) who features regularly in the media.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309758-This-never-happens-male-offenders-in-female-prisons?pg=1&messages=100

Speaking entirely hypothetically, I wouldn't be able at all to predict which narcissistic, possibly autogynephile men were a threat to women and which were not.

James Kirkup in the Spectator 4th July:
'Labour and Tories finally see the truth about the gender debate'

(extract)
"For all that some people suggest it’s somehow prurient or distasteful to talk about penises in this debate, there is, as Nick Robinson put it in some excellent interviews on the Today Programme yesterday, no way to avoid this. The simple fact is that people with penises, whatever word we use to describe those people, are biologically different to people without penises, and that difference matters to many women in a way that cannot be dismissed as bigotry. It is, again, a simple fact that people with penises have the potential to commit certain acts of violence and abuse against others. That fact is the reason Parliament and society accept the concept of single-sex spaces: women have a right to keep someone with a penis out of those spaces.*

Upholding that legal right is possibly the founding principle of several women’s groups that have sprung up since the Government first announced its intent to make it easier for people to change their legal gender. Unlike the charities that lobby for transgender rights, the women’s groups — Woman’s Place UK, Fair Play for Women and ManFriday — have no corporate or public sector funding, and not much money at all. They are genuine grassroots political organisations that have sprung up from a concerned public. Those groups have made a difference. Back in the autumn, that point about female-only spaces was either often ignored or dismissed in political debate. Women talking about penises were ridiculed as bigoted cranks, accused of transphobic misinformation. Their meetings were subjected to violent protests (one person has been convicted of assault) and a bomb threat, threats that went shamefully unremarked on by most politicians. Nevertheless, the women persisted: the meetings continued; the campaigns went on; and it made a difference. (continues)

he concludes: This isn’t a niche issue, a sideline interest for a few activists and obsessives. This is about how politics works. It’s time for the people who stay quiet to start talking."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/labour-and-tories-finally-see-the-truth-about-the-gender-debate/

I’m afraid I’m going to have to agree with this please stop trying to minimise the excesses of transactivists while positioning yourself as some kind of "centrist". It feels both manipulative and deceitful.

RepealTheGRA
Me too

Lily 🌹Madigan
‏*@lesbianleftie*
Disappointed but hardly surprised to see a terf handing out transphobic leaflets in an area where a house was recently vandalised with transphobic slogans.

[with a photo taken from venice allen's social media]