Lily Madigan and the School Saga

[dillydallyXX]

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

I’m confused (easily done) sorenipples and dillydallyXX because if I look up @madigan_lily the tweets are protected so no stories from Russia for me, but @lesbianleftie seems to still be LMs main account and still lists LM as UK Labour Women’s officer?!

Is LM running two accounts (or more) now?

Urban, quite right
But what 'Transwomen' like Lily demonstrate is the inherent lack of logic in the usual trappings of being a 'Transwoman' - and the idea that any of it legitimises a female identity. Magdalen Berns has a good video on this. Blaire White (a very passable looking transwoman) was angry with the Danielle Muscatos of the world for not making an effort with their appearance (to look feminine) and therefore undermining the effort of 'real' transwomen like Blaire.

If being a transwoman isn't surgery, hormones and clothes - it's literally nothing.

We are being a bit hypocritical here.

You don't speak for me so stop with this "we" bullshit.

If being a transwoman isn't surgery, hormones and clothes - it's literally nothing.

But we have created that by the emphasis we put in media and society on women being valued for their skin and hair, their breasts and cosmetically enhanced eyes and painted lips and heels, their sisterly giggles and their little pink-clad daughters.

Anyone can and should be free to do all that stuff. Or not do any of it. We shouldn’t be valued on the currency of our sexual stereotypes.

I can happily call anyone he or she (not ‘ they’ very easily because it’s a plural) - I’m humouring then which I can do. I have no issues whatsoever with a femme man or a masculine woman. Or any ‘non-binary’ presentation, whatever that really means.

But I can’t be made to say I believe trans women are women or trans men are men because I have integrity and I don’t believe they are- I can’t believe it even if I want to believe it so I can’t say it, however much I initially sympathise with the dilemma of those who feel what they feel. I CANNOT FORCE MYSELF TO BELIEVE IT. It’s like I can’t be a Christian although in ways I’d love to belong to a loving, supportive church because I cannot make myself believe in Christ as the son of God.

Society doesn’t embrace femme men and butch woman - more now than ever with mass media hammering home woman is like this, she should wear this and look like this and do these things this way. Until it does, truly and fully, it’s not surprising that this is happening.

An interesting parllel then....

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6454209/amp/Tribunal-decide-veganism-religious-belief.html

Someone is looking for a court to decide that veganism is a religion so therefore a protected characteristic.

Or the Dutch (?) pensioner who can’t say he is 49.

@GirlDownUnder

Yes, Lily's main account is lesbianleftie. But she has had many Twitter accounts. The latest change happened when she started a campaign against a Women's Officer who Lily accused of daubing transphobic graffiti on a wall. Turns out it was baseless. Lily was criticised so she ran away and created a new lesbianleftie account. I think there have been at least five twitter accounts so far, not counting the other accounts created to attack women.

direspectful I've never seen that Russian tweet, but given the frequency with which tweets are deleted it doesn't mean it's not real! It does however look old, based on the twitter handle and photo.

I think a lot of us avoid posting on Lily's appearance. Male or female it's not something I do.

I don't think lily is opening new twitter accounts because I follow Lily on my fake twitter and I'm always following despite name changes

I agree completely.

It would be so easy to comment on Lily's appearance - the choice of clothes, the scarf, the hair condition, the nail varnish, the legs - but we would then be descending to Lily's level.

It's better to observe Lily's actual behaviour - the constant lies, the fake activism, the foul-mouthed tweets on women, etc.

archive.is/yxERt

Where lily claimed to still be a labour party woman's officer before the subtle change.

In the tweet thread about being partially sighted, someone said that most "trans lesbians" are dating other "transwomen". And Lily replied "Same".

So, doesn't that back up what many NHS gender specialists have said? That it's really same-sex sexuality. And this also backs up many comments about Lily, that one day she may desist and live life as a homosexual man.

That’s interesting. I continue to have great difficulty reading Lily as a heterosexual male (in real-world terms) or a homosexual female (in make-believe land); this astonishing revelation may account for it.

What I didn't know and what disturbed me was the video someone posted of Anne Ruzylo speaking.

She said how biological men are saying they are women, or transwomen, and then saying they are lesbians. They deliberately target teenage girls who are either lesbian, or feel they are lesbian, or just confused. And they then coerce these girls into sexual activity. One thread said how these girls are being pressured into fellating these "transwomen" and being told this is a lesbian act.

I truly find this shocking. And it seems to be a bit like Lily's dating history. She has had two lesbian relationships, she says, but then they suddenly end. Why? Do the girls feel so uncomfortable that they cut off contact? And there was one instance someone wrote, where Lily bullied a young lesbian girl online into apologising for not fancying Lily and doubting that a transwoman is a lesbian. It is all very, very, very frightening for these young girls who are being targeted.

Lily is subject to a lot of speculation. Be careful about spreading false rumours and reading too much into tweets without knowing context . From what I saw the "bullying " was actually her teasing some one who was and still is a good friend.

All her relationships appear age appropriate . The details of what goes on in them is pure speculation . Also note at least one of her ladies was openly bisexual.

re pronouns.

Personally I like to use the chosen one, out of courtesy, and all that, but in face to face meetings I have often slipped up.

Even with people I genuinely like, know quite well, and have no wish to hurt. Even I, as a TS woman, can find it hard to " suspend disbelief" sometimes, so it would be hypocritical for me to be a critic of "accidental misgendering " .

Doing it on purpose, consistently, and in writing , is a personal choice. It can be very hurtful to people in a fragile emotional state, and we don't know what their lives are like. Even I don't much like it, and I am in the "Haytonesque" camp on the " what defines a woman? "scale .

damn; meant to add that in regards to LM , use of male pronouns on purpose might even alienate some potential female allies as much as it rallies others. My own sister does not like seeing that done, and she is no supporter of self ID.

Jus ' sayin'

She has had two lesbian relationships

By definition, Madigan cannot have had "lesbian" relationships. They have had relationships with women, which is something entirely different.

It's hard enough being forced to refer to people by pronouns that do not match their sex; I refuse to play to the delusion that a relationship between a transwoman and a woman is "lesbian".

Kay2 re "misgendering"

"Doing it on purpose, consistently, and in writing , is a personal choice. It can be very hurtful to people in a fragile emotional state"

"use of male pronouns on purpose might even alienate some potential female allies as much as it rallies others"

The problem is that every compassionate reference to a transwoman as "she" or "her" affirms the transgender lie and undermines the GC argument.

The consistent use of honest pronouns might initially come as a shock to potential female allies. But it would clarify in their minds the reality of what the transgender issue is about: namely, men taking over women’s roles, spaces and institutions.

There is so much jargon about that it is hard to get past it sometimes, isn't it? " Transwomen are women", for example, is almost meaningless in practice, and is both obviously
untrue but " for practical purposes a kind of way forward" . Depending on context.I could not bring myself to say it, or think it, without a sigh and whole series of riders.

"The transgender lie" is another. Both true in one sense, and not actually very useful in another. It makes a hugely valid point. But there are other valid points to be made. One of which is that the medical underpinning of the diagnosis is not made by people who are liars.

As for "taking over women's roles, spaces and institutions".... not in any numbers, but yes, a very legitimate point, and one accepted by many m to f transsexual people, especially in the case of LM being a " women's officer" briefly. Completely bizarre, not least because she is clearly currently unsuited to any representative role anywhere.

But just "he-ing" LM and others seems churlish, especially taken to extremes; when people refer to bearded and balding Prof Whittle as " she", they are making a point that alienates potential support, I believe.

DillyDally

I agree. Criticism should remain focused on Lily's behaviour-so much fodder there.

IMO judgement on appearance is just appealing to a need for femininity. Think about it.

Fun fact: the Italian subtitles to Magdalen’s video posted above have her calling the trans woman ‘brother’ whenever she says ‘mate’.

"Doing it on purpose, consistently, and in writing , is a personal choice. It can be very hurtful to people in a fragile emotional state"

I've reached the point where my reaction to the hurty feelz is "too fucking bad". When TRAs and allies acknowledge the real danger to women and children then I will re-consider my use of pronouns. Until then it's family name, "they" or "h**".

But just "he-ing" LM and others seems churlish, especially taken to extremes; when people refer to bearded and balding Prof Whittle as " she", they are making a point that alienates potential support, I believe

Kay, with respect, I don't give a shit if you feel I'm 'churlish' nor do I care about currying favour from people who are trying to compel me to lie. I'm not alone in this.