Ffs lib dems

[QuentinWinters]

Just opened my inbox to this little gem from the lib dems. I'm going to resign my membership I think.

At this point, I am wondering how best to spoil my ballot paper. I understand that the various candidates get to examine the spoiled papers. I'm thinking about writing a polite letter on my postal vote.

Oh and I believe in liberal democracy, the value of the press and the rule of law and justice for all on an equal basis if that helps.

I'm going to vote for the least bonkers of any independent candidates in future elections I think.

Female?

That's my problem currently. There isn't a least bonkers option.

Female?

Is anyone finding the writing style of orange snake oddly familiar?

Don’t you know how transphobic it is to point out how self id can and has been abused by violent men to gain access to women? Sod that women are being thrown to predators, validating people’s inner identities is much more important than gatekeeping and safeguarding.

I wonder if there’s a doctor in the house? Perhaps I’m being a little paranoid.

How does the Liberal democrat philosophy on evidence based medicine sit with support for self ID?

Do the LDs think that medical is action of children is appropriate in the absence of evidence? Do they support Mermaids point of view? Do they think Helen Webberley is doing a good job or a dangerous quack who has no regard for GMC protocols? What are their views on 'informed consent'? Do they support the out there trans health alliance proposals that want to remove gate keeping of puberty blockers and hormones? Have they considered the wider impact on the NHS? What are the implications of the success of this type of lobbying for the indepence of HCPs and the quality of care patients receive in other areas? What are the implications of self ID on medical research?

Have they still got any credibility when it comes to supporting evidence lead medicine if they support trans religion?

I'm not the one who is confused, materialist.

I know what liberal democracy is, and how you can't pick and choose when it applies.

I know what evidence based means and that it applies to all medicine and ideology and medicine don't mix well.

I know that lesbians are homoSEXuals and it's based on sex not gender and if you are a man identifying as a lesbian, it's homophobic and abusive by definition.

Mainly because I haven't totally lost the plot, and am so fucking desperate to' be nice' that I'd sell out all my (remaining) principles!

Another one who's always voted libdem and won't be doing so in future because of this.

The 'transwomen are adult females' statement did it for me. I like intellectual rigour in my political parties.

Is it too much to hope that Snakey has disappeared to do some research into biology?

Snake is too busy looking up definitions of liberal democracy Searabbit.

The funny thing is that the Conservative and Labour policies mean they also can't eat the LDs alive on this issue. Although sections of the press can (and will) do so.

And quite rightly.

This identity crisis between liberal democracy and a 'Liberal identity' within the party as what did for Tim Farron ultimately. It was gold for the likes of Andrew Neil on the one to one leader interview. Beyond Brexit they don't know what the party is for anymore.

Not only that but Labour is also going to the 'Liberal identity' vote. And doing it better with Momentum.

It's a fucking car crash.

That's just reminded to unsubscribe. And the Green Party too.
Would never vote for May or Corbyn.

Is the Monster Raving Loony Party still going?

Beyond Brexit they don't know what the party is for anymore.

Given that they aren't going to win a majority and they said at the last conference they weren't prepared to work with any other party, that seems to be literally true.

As a libdem member, I am sure that there will be no value lost from the few people who have an issue with that email. The party has continually supported trans rights, and has had pro-trans rights policies for almost its entire history. Those who have an issue with an email like this, which regardless on your views on specific policies like self ID, is about supporting trans people and the trans community, probably don't belong in the party.

I really really hope you aren't an actual lib dem member. This is an outrageous thing to say.

Quentin, I sadly fear they are indeed a member. The thread the other week about the Radical Association was a state.

As a libdem member, I am sure that there will be no value lost from the few people who have an issue with that email.

Again, could you run that past Sarah Olney please?

Hahaha or all the LD supporters in Richmond suffering Goldsmith forever more. Not just Olney.

lenaperkins, it would be surprising. The good doctor is a fervent member of the Labour Party and was pictured with JC a few days ago. Of course, sudden changes of allegiance can happen. A couple of years ago he was a fervent member of the Tory party.

The people who run the LibDemLGBT account on Twitter are very forthright. I wonder if one of them has favoured us with a visit.

Or Luke the LD?

People are free to disagree with the party line and party policy, I do on plenty of issues, but there are core values that the party stands by which equality and fighting for the rights of individuals is a main part of, and so I would argue that being anti-trans rights is fundamentally incompatible with being a Lib Dem.

But this is an issue where two groups human rights come into conflict in some areas - Women and Trans. So there needs to be an open honest debate, and checks and balances to give both groups safety. Not sneaking through a fundamental change to existing legislation.

The party policy was made in 2015 - about 1/2 the party has joined since then.
As to the idea that there are more Trans members of the Lib Dems (even adding in their supporters) than Women. Most people do not even understand the issues yet, but as they do, things will change.

If enough people protest then the party leadership will have to take notice - or the party will split.

I think my next ballot paper might be decorated with “adult human females don’t have penises”