Trans Awareness Week

[Thingybob]

As it's Trans Awareness Week I wanted to give a shout out to all the old school Trans folk who are busy getting on with their lives and are not so vocal online.

Peace and acceptance to you all
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Ah yes - the post-mortem transing of a person who said of themselves that they were a gay man.

Homophobia and disrespecting other people's identities as standard.

From Labour this time.

Nice.

Homophobia and disrespecting other people's identities as standard.

From Labour this time.

Be fair, they have to divert people's attention away from their anti-semitism.

I would have much rather see men and women work together in solidarity to address these problems caused by a tiny percentage of the male population.

I agree with this.

Women have safeguarding in place to help protect them from the minority of men that commit crime against them, violate them and intimidate them.

Let's work together to stop these safeguarding measures being taken away from women.

Let's keep sex segregated areas for women. Male bodies have no business being there. There is a reason that women need these spaces.

Great to hear that you are behind us with that, or even ahead of the pack, spreading the word and campaigning to keep women safe from the minority of males who want access to hurt them.

Where did I say it doesn't matter? It certainly does, as do the 40x more men who die weekly as the result of male violence - well, likely more as that's just the figure for male suicides.

hey Scott,

Please do share a link to the campaign you have started to address this, or whereabouts on Pistonheads (or even Dadsnet) you have been talking about how toxic masculinity should be addressed to stop this awful state of behaviour.

Interesting that extract

Scott sees men who commit suicide as victims of "male violence" and has no problem using the term there

But struggles to see it as a valid term to use when women are murdered by men.

Men committing suicide are "victims of male violence"?

Yes -

"ScottCheggJnr Tue 13-Nov-18 22:43:03
What I wouldn't do is go on a forum dominated by the other sex and bash on about how it doesn't matter and it's not my responsibility to address.

Where did I say it doesn't matter? It certainly does, as do the 40x more men who die weekly as the result of male violence - well, likely more as that's just the figure for male suicides."

There is a point around men being more prone to violence generally (namalt) makes their suicide attempts more likely to be successful >> while women actually attempt more they die less (although young women I believe are the fastest growing group but still much less than men).

This is a feminist and toxic masculinity argument though so I doubt that's where scott was coming from.

It's really interesting that he sees men committing suicide as male violence but not women being murdered, like the news that was being discussed > sorry for upset but a man shot a pregnant woman in the stomach with a crossbow in front of her kids > its unfair to describe that as male violence accoring to scott.

Just wow, really.

The conflation of male suffering with male violence is at the core of MRA.

Yes, male suicide is male violence and I've seen many regular posters state as much on here - although albeit usually in a dismissive 'it's men's fault' manner.

I believe it's partly tied in to toxic masculinity and the reluctance in men to discuss their feelings. This is hardly a revolutionary view and it's a shame that men who discuss it get so much contempt.

I believe it's common for men (perhaps people in general) to turn their anger inwards as a form of self loathing.

Hence, the more violent methods generally implemented by men in killing themselves.

Men who discuss male suicides do not get contempt

If you feel people are being contemptuous ...maybe its you

And women on here who love and worry about their men are not dismissive either

I believe it's common for men (perhaps people in general) to turn their anger inwards as a form of self loathing

Of course its people in general

Dont be silly

How the actual fuck did you just leap from one group being treated disproportionately over others, to ''Reeeee, feminists never critisize Islam and they should''?

Ah. Whatabouttery. Classic.

I didn't. I made the point that there seems to be uneven criticism between different classes.

Just like how all men are often held accountable on here for the fact that men as a class commit more violence, but black people are not all held accountable for the fact that they as a class commit more crime (nor should they be).

Why am I not surprised that you've made that hideous comparison. Are you aware that every thought you post is crashingly unoriginal and we've heard it all before?

It’s very disability to dismiss male violence against women and girls as happening because the perpetrators mostly have mental health problems anyways. Most people with mental health problems are much much more likely to be the victims of violence not the perpetrators. And just as many women as men have mh problems (despite getting much less of the funding pot & much less recognition, help or understanding) yet men at risk from those of us women who are mentally unstable.

Women attempt suicide around 3 times as much as men do, iirc. It’s American study iirc but there’s no reason to think it doesn’t hold true here. Having done my asist training and used it, mostly it’s women who are struggling with sui ime. Just men are socialised to be more violent so they go for more violent methods like guns that actually work, bleeding out or over dosing are actually much slower harder ways to die and leave much more room for intervention to save them. Of course women’s higher rates of attempted sui get written off as attention seaking, where as men’s sui are high lighted as a public health crisis we all must addess right now. (Plus how many of those male sui are family assassinations where he kills himself after killing his wife/partner/kids bc I’m not sold on caring about them in the over all stats).

This is a funny thread -

Awareness of men (ts)

This board should centre women.

Male sui are victims of male violence too.

It’s all about men all the time, even when it’s not we must shut up and let it be all about men again.

Men as a class commit more violence

People of colour , when poverty is taken into account, don’t. Confounding factor.

• disabilist.

It’s disabilist to dismiss male violence against women and girls by ‘the poor men all have mh problems anyways’.

Men as a class commit more violence

People of colour , when poverty is taken into account, don’t. Confounding factor.

Ignoring the fact that men from low socioeconomic backgrounds are also more likely to commit violence, the common argument seems to be that because men as a class commit more violence they should as a class commit to solving it. By this logic, POC should all commit to tackling the increased crime rates exhibited by their class.

It’s disabilist to dismiss male violence against women and girls by ‘the poor men all have mh problems anyways’.

"The study found men who commit spontaneous domestic homicides, as they are known, have more severe mental illness and particularly psychotic disorders than other people. The findings may make it possible to even prevent such murders from taking place by intervening early to treat the person's mental health."

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3211390/amp/How-spot-family-killer-Experts-discover-distinct-psychological-traits-men-murder-partners-children.html

Ignoring the fact that men from low socioeconomic backgrounds are also more likely to commit violence, the common argument seems to be that because men as a class commit more violence they should as a class commit to solving it.

Yes, and?

Given your suggestion seems to be to get the women to do it, I'm not really sure what your point is here.