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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Awareness Week

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Thingybob · 12/11/2018 16:37

As it's Trans Awareness Week I wanted to give a shout out to all the old school Trans folk who are busy getting on with their lives and are not so vocal online.

Peace and acceptance to you all
xx

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 18/11/2018 20:16

Ah it's womens fault that men are violent.
Of course!
Not the absent fathers fault, oh no! Let's not even GO there :D

TheCountryGirl · 18/11/2018 20:21

Scott, Peach Yoghurt did a really good video explaining why NAMALT is such a lame thing for people to say seriously. You might want to check it out.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 18/11/2018 20:23

I would also challenge that it's a tiny minority of men who are violent.
It is if you measure violence as physical acts of the type that men tend to commit against men as well as others, and that are extremely illegal.

While I would contend that male violence is experienced by women and girls in a sliding scale from the minor to the severe that serves to keep us in line. And that the more "minor" acts of aggression/violence (and I inlcude non contact sex offences in this) towards women and girls by men are extremely common and a very large minority of men commit them. They must do as most women have had multiple scary / illegal encounters with blokes. So not many men are murderign women but an awful lot are following them home from work, whispering threats in their ear on the bus, wanking at them in the park etc. Societies minimisation of these types of situations and "boys will be boys" and victim blaming contributes to a climate where more serious offences are downlplayed as well.

This is "rape culture" and as an MRA I suspect you dont believe in it at all and draw a very definite line between "no harm done" and "string the bastard up" which is not how most women experience this stuff. Which is why listening to women is important. Not telling them to shut up / say it differently / put their focus elsewhere etc etc

MIdgebabe · 18/11/2018 20:35

Scott really, if you feel got upon by fem8nsits, try and look at life from a female perspective.

If I read the paper I see very little general blaming of men, I see little of men being treated and dismissed as a class. ( that may be because I a man a woman of course!)

I often see disrespect ...the starter of sexual discrimination... of women. From comments on a politicians clothes, to semi naked women and comments on their post baby bodies. The odd bloke sometimes thrown in on an advert.

If I watch the telly, there we have the token woman as a bit of love interest on the side. How many programmes or films have a token male who is so totally dumb? And don’t get me started about romcoms. Where the women discovers her true love

ScottCheggJnr · 18/11/2018 20:42

Ah it's womens fault that men are violent.Of course!
Not the absent fathers fault, oh no! Let's not even GO there :D

Ok, the mother of a male child has no influence in his upbringing, right?

And going back to rape culture, I agree with the view of the world's largest anti-sexual violence organisation as previously posted on here. They have over 1000 rape crisis centres so likely know what they're talking about.

In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campus. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important not to lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.

ScottCheggJnr · 18/11/2018 20:43

Funnily enough it's pretty much the same argument I put forward about male violence being the work of individuals.

MIdgebabe · 18/11/2018 20:49

But what causes those conscious choices? The feeling that it’s normal , it’s cool, and that you will get away with it...which is what rape culture gives you. Your choices are not made in a vacuum but are a result of processing the information around you

Levels of rape vary strongly between different societies which suggest that society is partially a causal element.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 19/11/2018 09:11

You miss the main point of the post>

Rape is at the more extreme end of a lot of other smaller things that are committed against women and girls all the time and not deemed by society to be "that bad".

Today in GQ (which I can't read due to my broadband settings Grin is reported in the Independent " new report conducted by British GQ reveals that one in 10 men don't think upskirting is sexual harassment: "

I mean WTAF? 1 in 10! While for women >> absolutely this is experienced as a sexual violation.

So we have this disparity in how men and women experience the world. If we want to make lives better for women and girls the answer is to say upskirting is wrong and make it illegal.... Too often stuff like this women and girls are told there's no physical harm done, you're making a fuss.

Because society sees the sort of things that men do to each other more as definite crimes and the sorts of things that men do to women and girls as, well, it's not so bad is it? I mean it's not like he hit you or something. Something properly bad.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 19/11/2018 09:13

"And going back to rape culture, I agree with the view of the world's largest anti-sexual violence organisation as previously posted on here."

Which one?

And they are saying >> blame the perpetrators not some intangible force. Name the problem. The problem is men raping.

They avoid saying men in that extract which is interesting. I'd like to know which org this is please.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 19/11/2018 09:20

Reading on phone

1 in 10 men of all ages would not consider it harrassment to upskirt a female colleague at work.

At work!!!!

Fuck them quite frankly.

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