Trans Awareness Week

[Thingybob]

As it's Trans Awareness Week I wanted to give a shout out to all the old school Trans folk who are busy getting on with their lives and are not so vocal online.

Peace and acceptance to you all
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Thing - Miranda Yardley would be the first person to point out that Lib Dem list posted above is a bunch of bullshit. He says that there is little to no transphobia in the UK (except from the cross dressers that are appropriating his experience of gender dysphoria) that there are not hate crimes committed against trans people here, that he is 100% safe in male toilets, and that the mermaid stats are bs like they have been proven to be time & time again.

I’m quite sure that if Miranda Yardley knew you were posting about trans awareness week on a feminism board he’d tell you to get out of women’s space.

We all appreciate the voices and experiences of trans people who know biology, but we don’t need to turn women’s boards into a gratitude ceremony for knowing the truth. Somewhat defeats the purpose of knowing that tw are not women.

Early - this is the feminism boards. Can you imagine the outrage caused if you go onto the formula feeding boards and create a thread for breastfeeding awareness week?

Op - you should feel free to make this thread in many other areas of MN. Just not the one dedicated to women & the movement for them.

Oh yes, Sal Brinton. The same Sal Brinton who said, at a Fawcett Society / 50-50 Parliament event aimed at getting more women to stand as MPs, that she'd be happy with a single sex government if half of them were transwomen.

Yeah right.

Do you not think that the hate crime that trans people can experience, being ridiculed/assaulted/harassed for not being dressed as someone wants them to be, is a feminist issue?
Or the amount of transmen (who were biological woman and therefore the people feminism is about) having poor mental health and suicidal tendencies may be a feminist issue? Or do these ‘woman’ not matter because you don’t like them? The suffering of any woman is a feminist issue.
It is clear the poster wanted to say along the lines of ‘I know we have our differences but we still support your fight’ unfortunalty it backfired.
A week aimed at raising awareness of prejudice that minority groups face is not free to be ridiculed because trans hate gets a ‘free pass’ on mumsnet.

Quiet support, OP. From the 'he-she ladies' sentenced in Victorian times, the Edwardian trans-man who pencilled on his moustache to the boys and girls who strive onward today, I'm not getting into debates here but sending quiet support to all those who struggle just to exist.

I'm sure you've noticed the threads on here discussing the very specific issues that transmen deal with, from medical issues to the fact that they do not escape their disadvantages and can still be rape victims etc. It's often pointed out what an afterthought transmen are to those pushing the transactivist line. I notice they weren't first in your thoughts when you posted either.

Other than that, trans issues are only relevant here when they touch upon women's rights. Male bodied people presenting in 'feminine' ways and being attacked by other men isn't a feminist issue, no.

Or the amount of transmen (who were biological woman and therefore the people feminism is about) having poor mental health and suicidal tendencies may be a feminist issue? Or do these ‘woman’ not matter because you don’t like them?

Transmen are relevant to a feminism board because they are women.

Why do you think they should be relevant here if you think they are men?

Why aren’t you taking their case to the MRA boards?

I’m not getting sucked in, I don’t want a debate.
I just didn’t want hate to go unchallenged, and being nasty about an awareness week is just about hate. The same attitude about a Muslim awareness week, or migrant, or gay etc etc would not have gone unchallenged.

Do you not think that the hate crime that trans people can experience, being ridiculed/assaulted/harassed for not being dressed as someone wants them to be, is a feminist issue?

How is that a feminist issue. Is it about womens rights?

Surely keeping women safe from hate crime and ridiculed/assaulted/harassed for being female is the issue here.

Or the amount of transmen (who were biological woman and therefore the people feminism is about) having poor mental health and suicidal tendencies may be a feminist issue? Or do these ‘woman’ not matter because you don’t like them?

Well are they men or women? Make your mind up.

I'm not debating you. I'm answering your self righteous blabber.

It's not hatred Early and your comparisons aren't quite right.

I wouldn't go on a thread about celebrating Eid to discuss how to celebrate Easter for example. It'd be rude and dismissive.

If you want to celebrate Trans Awareness then that's absolutely your prerogative. You go right ahead. The point is, supporting this thread being on the FWR boards to do it is deliberately provocative. You're looking for a fight and then complaining when you're challenged and then claiming we're all full of hate.

Zero hate here, most of us adore Mir but he’d be the first person to say he doesn’t need women’s spaces made all about him.

Yes trans men are women. And any issue that effects their women’s rights is something they are part of. As are things like 65% trans men in men’s prisions in the us reporting rape, because that’s a crime commited against them because they are women and so much more vulnerable. Crimes men commit against women are a main topic here.

There are Muslims who are women, disabled people who are women, woc and so on - do you come to the feminism board to make posts about every minority awareness weak because some of those people are always women? Any minority awareness week is about awareness of that minority as a group, of all people within that group and the struggles they face because of that minority they all belong to. Not because some of them are also women.

And if you’re not being deliberately obtuse and can’t grasp that then understand that on a feminism board every single week is transmen awareness week, because on a board that centres women and women’s rights and the issues women face every day/week/year is always exclusively and solely about all women. Which includes trans men.

None of which appear to have been important enough to mention by name in the op or any of the rest of the gushing thanks posts here from those accusing us of hate.

The feminists of FWR deciding what all feminists should believe. Nothing new there 😳

The feminists of FWR deciding what all feminists should believe. Nothing new there

Nobody's "decided" anything on behalf of anyone else.

Various people have given their opinions, which is - I think you'll find - what tends to happen on a public forum.

why is this in FWR?

I would like some people to be more aware how the huge umbrella is sheltering some who absolutely should not be considered trans and that those would have an awareness of the damage they are doing to women, children and transsexuals.

I'm sure Germaine Bunbury tweeted something very similar the other day.

Thanks for your feedback all of you and sorry if I misjudged it, I certainly did not mean to offend anyone. Yes there probably is better places to praise (some) trans folk but then I'll probably be thrown off other forums if I don't support them all! Oh dear, I think I'll always be a homeless middle ground person. Btw I did try to get the thread deleted but Mumsnet decided to let it roll.

I'm sure Germaine Bunbury tweeted something very similar the other day.

If she didn't, she certainly will do.

Btw I did try to get the thread deleted

I dont think it should be deleted

But chat would be a better place for it to reach a larger audience..lif that was the intention

I hate these ridiculous week/days/months/special events. The only week I want is one where the "gender feelz" crew and their sycophants stop harassing women and transsexuals for not buying their ideology.

I'm quite happy to not be made aware of/praised/told I'm "brave" thank you very much.

Hi Hamster! I know what you mean. Actually, I looked up this week's special days, and they include world pneumonia day, world diabetes day, children's day, international imprisoned writers day (all worthy causes) and world tolerance day (a great idea, but do we need a special day for it? shouldn't we be pressing for that one as, umm, a basic part of a civilised society every day). And world kindness day (which seems a bit barf-tastic).

Anyway, I loved this calendar UterusUterusGhali posted on an AIBU thread. (I wonder if she found it in one of Bunbury's books?)

Is it a new thing for this year? How do weeks dedicated to a particular theme, if that's the right word happen?

VMisaMarshmallow
As are things like 65% trans men in men’s prisions in the us reporting rape

Hang on, what's this about?!

As an aside, World Tolerance Day sounds awful. Like everyone marks the day by 'putting up with' stuff they're not very enthusiastic about but can get by. Sheesh, whoever thought tolerance was a virtue probably thought up that wet chant 'Non binary is valid'.

Welcoming difference is a good, worthwhile thing. If anyone told me they 'tolerated' me, I wouldn't feel especially edified.