Transage bloke on Victoria Derbyshire

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Looks like Jane Fae is on to explain why it's not the same as transgender...

I really do hope that people see through JF. I didn't really know of them until very recently - have done a quick online/social media search and they are far creepier than I first thought, and I really did think they were very creepy before.
Mumsnet is a bit of a revelation, I'm more used to people just blindly agreeing to the Transgender point of view, no matter how unscientific or how illogical.
I wonder if the tide is turning and more people are becoming more questioning, especially when you have the Transage and Transrace people come along and use the exact same arguments that the TRA use,

The thing i find really interesting about this is that he's male. And the response he gets.

Women, especially in the entertainment industry have lied about their age (transage?) For years, and spent goodness knows how much on cosmetic surgery and cosmetics to look their "authentic" age-self.

But a man doing it, and trying to be legally recognized as that age? I wonder what the response would have been if a woman had done that.

here's a good article addressing how this idiot is playing the media like a trombone

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/13/troll-media-trans-emile-ratelband-lgbt

Interesting that you think transage is hypocrisy spanna

I thought that claiming that transgenderism is a mental condition was 'transphobic'? It seems like they will roll that out when it suits them, but when arguing for self id and the removal of all medical gatekeeping, it is argued that trans isn't a medical condition and anyone should be able to legally identify as they wish?

That guy is fairly obviously doing this to make a point, but it's difficult to argue with him.

As an aside, aren't Jane Fae's mannerisms so irritating?!

Yeah, I'm fascinated to hear why this dude is an idiot, but Fae & co are the most oppressed people in the world ever.

And my great aunt, who is closer to 100 than she likes, has been saying for years that really she's only a young 80 year old, especially as she still goes to visit the "old" (younger) people in the nearest old people's home. And being "80" keeps her young, so we nod and smile and go along with her. Just like we do our trans woman relative. As it keeps them happy
Jus' sayin'.

Ellie May O'Hagan (bless her cotton socks) doesn't actually explain how self identifying as trans age is different to self identifying as the opposite sex though does she?

I still think the key point is that Emile at least knows what it feels like to be 49, as he was that age once. Fae otoh...

I think in the circles she runs in "it is, so there, fuck you!" is considered a brilliant and entirely convincing argument.

Ellie May O'Hagan (bless her cotton socks) doesn't actually explain how self identifying as trans age is different to self identifying as the opposite sex though does she?

Imagine my surprise!

here's a good article addressing how this idiot is playing the media like a trombone

Blimey, the late entries for 'irony of the year' are coming thick and fast this week, aren't they?

Totally agree that ore research should be done re: mental health and transpeople.

However, the legal falsehood of altering accurate historical documents to record a known untruth, is just as absurd if the lie is about sex as it is if the lie is about age.

Personally, I don’t think the rewriting of history should be available in either case, but if it’s legal for one, it should be legal for the other.

Personally, I don’t think the rewriting of history should be available in either case

Indeed. a 'birth certificate' records what was the case at the time of a person's birth. Allowing people to change it later makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Just read that article spanna. It's a bit of an own goal - firstly it's an ad hominem attack. And all the rebuttals it does posit also apply to transgender.
Transage has as many safeguarding implications as transgender. It also has financial implications (mortgages, pensions, minimum wage etc). It's interesting as an intellectual argument. Better than trans race I think.

Yep. A birth certificate is a historical record of events. It's not meant to be a living document. It doesn't need appendices.

Sorry, I realised I spelt Ellie Mae's name wrong!

Yes, surely that is why its called a birth certificate. To record your birth?

Besides, if you add transgender to transage you get Stefonknee Wolscht.

Plenty of transpeople have openly stated that they are going through a second puberty/feel like teenagers etc.
www.huckmag.com/art-and-culture/photography-2/second-puberty-trans-woman-photography-jennifer-loeber/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/caitlyn-jenner-british-dad-dead-6077661

“It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Juno Dawson recently published this: www.the-pool.com/life/life-honestly/2018/41/juno-dawson-is-no-longer-lying-about-her-age

Criticising Emile for his ‘transage’ stance all looks rather hypocritical, I’m afraid.

Sounds like falling in love or having an affair - or taking up a new and exciting hobby.

I think I would be rather more empathetic to the trans rights activist arguments, if they would show some support for other "trans" arguments - at least that would show some consistency. The only other argument that legitimately stands, if you negate the "feelings" argument by rubbishing other "trans -x feelings" arguments, is im sorry to say, the horribly transphobes argument of dysphoria and transgender being a form of body dysmorphia. Which leads to the counselling "conversion therapy" debates.
So. Which is it? Feelings or a form of dysmorphia?

Or fetish.

How does Elle-May keep getting work? Everything I've ever read by her would fail A-level media studies! I presume she's related to the editor or something? 

I live in the Netherlands and that Dutch bloke is like pretty much every Dutch bloke i have ever met. Straightforward, direct and unable (or unwilling) to do a polite little dance around feelings. They just say it as it is. No varnish, no malice, just clarity.

Sometimes, being British, it can feel a bit brutal to be on the receiving end, but ultimately it means there's very little bull shit flying around.